Okay, whether RAW or RAI there seems to be a few technical agreements on the spell Anthropomorphic Animal that I kind of find annoying when one considers the usual idea behind such a spell.
So, here's my personal rulings on the spell... make of it what you will.
1- Can work on either Animals of Magical Beasts. This is partly because the fact it can only work on true animals, when a lot of magical beasts are functionally or physically the same in form is crazy.
2- Animals that get this cast on them Become Magical Beasts, and remain such even upon reverting. General rules that Intelligent creatures above score 3 are magical beasts is part of the reason, as is my rule one; the other part comes next.
3- Reverting does not take away the gathered intelligence scores. Because it would be weird if they spent months gaining intelligence bonuses from reading magic Tomes, only to wind up back at square one.
4- Anthropomorphic Animals can gain Class Levels. Seems fairly obvious to me, considering Magical beasts sometimes can.
5- As a way of circumventing possible mishaps with Dispel Magic, I would totally allow the commission of wearable items that give the effects of Anthropomorphic Animal for as long as it is worn.
6- I would not force the creature to give up any natural attacks, or give up unarmed strikes if they have a bite attack. Because that wouldn't sound right to me.
7- I would not take away other movement types. An Anthro bird that can't fly doesn't sound right.
8- I would not take away special attacks... just... trust me on this...
I'm not sure why I actually feel the need to put this up on a forum... Other than just trying to make a point here that I'm not fully aware of.
If you guys like this approach. Then thank you... if not, I'll probably use it anyways.
...And suddenly I feel like an angry internet reviewer.
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So I'm probably going to violate about a dozen Paizo guidelines for asking this, but...
...is there any non-perverted reason for this spell to exist?
Army of elephant soliders wielding greatswords? Imagine the strength bonuses.
Harark wrote: Army of elephant soliders wielding greatswords? Imagine the strength bonuses. I stand in awe.
OK.
Question withdrawn.
But still entertaining. In my perverse little mind...
NobodysHome wrote: So I'm probably going to violate about a dozen Paizo guidelines for asking this, but...
...is there any non-perverted reason for this spell to exist?
nope. it serves the same niche as catfolk, lycanthropes, tengu, kitsune, and every other anthropomorphic animal species in the books. an option designed to please the furries that happen to be roleplayers.
i did not buy the advanced race guide so i could play a sonic the hedgehog character. i bought it for the various, non-furry races and the alternate racial traits and alternate favored class bonuses.
i could have lived without the catfolk, tengu, and kitsune. the closest i would play to a furry, is a shirtless and shoeless male tian barbarian who wears clawed gauntlets and has golden eyes. but is otherwise human for the purpose of description.
NobodysHome wrote: So I'm probably going to violate about a dozen Paizo guidelines for asking this, but...
...is there any non-perverted reason for this spell to exist?
I may be a bad person, but I immediately thought the same thing.
When I found the spell I immediately made a Vivisectionist Alchemist(npc) who enjoyed turning people into animals with baleful polymorph and animals into people Anthropomorphic Animal to... Well do inappropriate things with.
While he can't actually do it to Baleful Polymorphed creatures for a number of reasons, the implied potential alone was meant to creep the PCs out.
Lumiere Dawnbringer wrote: NobodysHome wrote: So I'm probably going to violate about a dozen Paizo guidelines for asking this, but...
...is there any non-perverted reason for this spell to exist?
nope. it serves the same niche as catfolk, lycanthropes, tengu, kitsune, and every other anthropomorphic animal species in the books. an option designed to please the furries that happen to be roleplayers.
i did not buy the advanced race guide so i could play a sonic the hedgehog character. i bought it for the various, non-furry races and the alternate racial traits and alternate favored class bonuses.
i could have lived without the catfolk, tengu, and kitsune. the closest i would play to a furry, is a shirtless and shoeless male tian barbarian who wears clawed gauntlets and has golden eyes. but is otherwise human for the purpose of description. You people make that sound like a bad thing...
Regardless, there's also the fact of those who have identities that conflict with that of humanity. Such as me.
I'm the kind that find it constantly awkward for my body to not have a pair of wings, or that I don't have a tail.
The fact that my Kitsune (Draconic) Sorcerers keep ending up hitched to a Human Ninja is probably noteworthy.
BlueStorm wrote: Lumiere Dawnbringer wrote: NobodysHome wrote: So I'm probably going to violate about a dozen Paizo guidelines for asking this, but...
...is there any non-perverted reason for this spell to exist?
nope. it serves the same niche as catfolk, lycanthropes, tengu, kitsune, and every other anthropomorphic animal species in the books. an option designed to please the furries that happen to be roleplayers.
i did not buy the advanced race guide so i could play a sonic the hedgehog character. i bought it for the various, non-furry races and the alternate racial traits and alternate favored class bonuses.
i could have lived without the catfolk, tengu, and kitsune. the closest i would play to a furry, is a shirtless and shoeless male tian barbarian who wears clawed gauntlets and has golden eyes. but is otherwise human for the purpose of description. You people make that sound like a bad thing...
Regardless, there's also the fact of those who have identities that conflict with that of humanity. Such as me.
I'm the kind that find it constantly awkward for my body to not have a pair of wings, or that I don't have a tail.
The fact that my Kitsune (Draconic) Sorcerers keep ending up hitched to a Human Ninja is probably noteworthy. i haven't really known nor heard of furries who weren't into it for the sexual aspect of the roleplay. i apologize if i offended a few otherkin. but i am just as bad, i play a lot of small framed women who dress in lolita fashion. but they aren't out mating like rabbits, rather the opposite, absurdly chaste with an "off limits" attitude. my characters might sometimes wear cute animal inspired accessories here and there. but they aren't literally half animal. but i can make humanity seem less boring by including some exotic concept, whether from a movie, a religion of some kind, or a nationality frequently ignored, heck, i can make commonly known nationalities seem less boring. by focusing on subversion of tropes, or by using information you won't normally find at the cinema.
BlueStorm wrote: Lumiere Dawnbringer wrote: NobodysHome wrote: So I'm probably going to violate about a dozen Paizo guidelines for asking this, but...
...is there any non-perverted reason for this spell to exist?
nope. it serves the same niche as catfolk, lycanthropes, tengu, kitsune, and every other anthropomorphic animal species in the books. an option designed to please the furries that happen to be roleplayers.
i did not buy the advanced race guide so i could play a sonic the hedgehog character. i bought it for the various, non-furry races and the alternate racial traits and alternate favored class bonuses.
i could have lived without the catfolk, tengu, and kitsune. the closest i would play to a furry, is a shirtless and shoeless male tian barbarian who wears clawed gauntlets and has golden eyes. but is otherwise human for the purpose of description. You people make that sound like a bad thing...
Regardless, there's also the fact of those who have identities that conflict with that of humanity. Such as me.
I'm the kind that find it constantly awkward for my body to not have a pair of wings, or that I don't have a tail.
The fact that my Kitsune (Draconic) Sorcerers keep ending up hitched to a Human Ninja is probably noteworthy. Sorry to have derailed your thread. My question was partly tongue-in-cheek, and partly real: I fully understand playing fully-anthropomorphic PCs. I just saw the spell and wondered, "What are you going to do with an INT 3 anthropomorphic pet?"
Just seemed like a rather pointless spell, though I do like the elephant army. Even without weapon proficiency, that's just funny and nasty at the same time! I may have to use it...
NobodysHome wrote: BlueStorm wrote: Lumiere Dawnbringer wrote: NobodysHome wrote: So I'm probably going to violate about a dozen Paizo guidelines for asking this, but...
...is there any non-perverted reason for this spell to exist?
nope. it serves the same niche as catfolk, lycanthropes, tengu, kitsune, and every other anthropomorphic animal species in the books. an option designed to please the furries that happen to be roleplayers.
i did not buy the advanced race guide so i could play a sonic the hedgehog character. i bought it for the various, non-furry races and the alternate racial traits and alternate favored class bonuses.
i could have lived without the catfolk, tengu, and kitsune. the closest i would play to a furry, is a shirtless and shoeless male tian barbarian who wears clawed gauntlets and has golden eyes. but is otherwise human for the purpose of description. You people make that sound like a bad thing...
Regardless, there's also the fact of those who have identities that conflict with that of humanity. Such as me.
I'm the kind that find it constantly awkward for my body to not have a pair of wings, or that I don't have a tail.
The fact that my Kitsune (Draconic) Sorcerers keep ending up hitched to a Human Ninja is probably noteworthy. Sorry to have derailed your thread. My question was partly tongue-in-cheek, and partly real: I fully understand playing fully-anthropomorphic PCs. I just saw the spell and wondered, "What are you going to do with an INT 3 anthropomorphic pet?"
Just seemed like a rather pointless spell, though I do like the elephant army. Even without weapon proficiency, that's just funny and nasty at the same time! I may have to use it...
If one treats it right, or perhaps uses my version, it becomes a way to get a few back-up characters... Cheap even maybe.
Say your Fighter just bit the dirt, and has been soul stolen. What do you do?
Oh look, that Anthro Animal that you've been training up with Fighter levels and stuff can do his job. That is awfully convieniant.
Granted, not many GMs are going to force one to go with that option,as most will just supply you with a new one at the next town you go through, but its good in cases where either the GM is cruel, or you're somehow stuck on another plane where the chance of running into another Human is... slim. Like you're in hell or something and there are somehow animals with you.
Also, it's possibly a good way of getting some kind of plot hook. Maybe you're playing animals that have been awakened by this spell, trying to get by in a world where they are seen as property.
It's more something to role-play than to use though I guess. But some of the limitations are... hard to work with for that.
That's why this thread removed like... 90% of the limitations.
I would point out that you CAN get around the limitations of Antro Animal as is.
For example, the only reason it's considered a "magical beasty" is the int score(it even though it says it retains its original type, thus is still an Animal aside from the score).
So to get around it, hit it with Int Drain(not damage). Then you can awaken it properly like any other animal. As for reverting the form, cast permanancy. Bam: You have yourself an permanently intelligent Anthro Slave whom you force to obey lest you take back your gift of life!
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Okay, that sounds bad when I type it out. But hey, you can "release" it by casting another awaken if you don't want a "pet" and just want to create a furry PC. Still would be better of with the ARG(since you could be dispelled down to the orginial form for example), but you can still make do.
Darth Grall wrote: I would point out that you CAN get around the limitations of Antro Animal as is.
For example, the only reason it's considered a "magical beasty" is the int score(it even though it says it retains its original type, thus is still an Animal aside from the score).
So to get around it, hit it with Int Drain(not damage). Then you can awaken it properly like any other animal. As for reverting the form, cast permanancy. Bam: You have yourself an permanently intelligent Anthro Slave whom you force to obey lest you take back your gift of life!
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Okay, that sounds bad when I type it out. But hey, you can "release" it by casting another awaken if you don't want a "pet" and just want to create a furry PC. Still would be better of with the ARG(since you could be dispelled down to the orginial form for example), but you can still make do.
I mentioned a way of getting around the Dispel Problem. Create an item that does much the same thing as teh spell.
The real Thing here is that Sometimes... we're not talking about a normal animal. Sometimes we're thinking something more like... A Pegasus. Something that is already a Magical Beast.
Yeah... I'm not sure how one goes about that without modifying the parameters of Anthropomorphic animal.
But... you did mention shortcuts, such as the ARG. And though I'm not sure its entirely Appropriate to use the ARG when it doesn't seem to be... complete; The sentiment is the same.
Pretty much, considering the only thing I'd want to be changing is something never mentioned in the stat blocks anyways as being pressent or not pressent (Hands) one could just grab the stat block, roll up some ability scores, pick one of the race ability modifiers, and claim the spell was cast to make them anthropomorphic. Then add character levels.
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I bring this up because a campaign I've been planning for ages is full of magical talking ponies like unicorns, pegasi and ... a bunch of druid ponies I guess, and it's kinda hard for the human form obsessed one to cast the RAW version of Anthropomorphic Animal on herself; being a Unicorn and all.
I feel like that last paragraph of mine just vomited rainbows. And I am laughing so hard right now.
Darth Grall wrote: NobodysHome wrote: So I'm probably going to violate about a dozen Paizo guidelines for asking this, but...
...is there any non-perverted reason for this spell to exist?
I may be a bad person, but I immediately thought the same thing.
When I found the spell I immediately made a Vivisectionist Alchemist(npc) who enjoyed turning people into animals with baleful polymorph and animals into people Anthropomorphic Animal to... Well do inappropriate things with.
While he can't actually do it to Baleful Polymorphed creatures for a number of reasons, the implied potential alone was meant to creep the PCs out. Well, technically, a heavily Polymorph based Wizard could make the thing go full circle.
Human to Animal with Poly-morph any object, then back to humanoid with Anthropomorphic animal.
And no, I'm not creeped out by that. I've had nightmares that make that sound tame. Like turning into a Spidery skined being with no mouth after vomiting up a pool of silver liquid... after being bitten my an undead spider.
...And Nigel Thornberry was there. For like... no reason...
And for some reason I was a girl in the dream, specifically one of my cousins. Go figure.
If anyone think all that sounds like someone's fetish... congratulations... you've been on the internet a long... long... time.
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