| BlueStorm |
Why bring up this topic? Well, pretty much, it's because that the more I think about this curse, the more it feels like it's not quite what one expects when one hears the thought "Blind Oracle". Cause at the higher limit, it pretty much seems to have the same range of vision as my "Merely short sighted" mother... who is nothing special.
I mean, it begins to sound like One could give them corrective glasses and call it a day.
So what happens when we adjust the figures? Game-wise anyways. As I myself can give an idea of each range myself. 15 feet maximum for normal vision is where it begins to feel more realistic for "Pretty much blind"
Of course, there's the question of What benefits they get in return. Which I'm kinda sketchy one what is game-breaking or not.
Assuming that Blind-sight doesn't give anything more detailed than the general shape of an object, that means that if their Blind sight went further than their normal sight, then they'd be able to fight effectively, but would have to be right next to someone if they wanted to recognize them without difficulty (such as needing a high difficulty perception check) or right in-front of a set of text to read it. (okay, that last one isn't bad unless you're looking for a specific shop I guess.)
So Here's some Rudimentary figures; and I'd like to know what kind of good or bad would they cause if used?
Normal Vision/Darkvision: 5 Feet, expands to 10 feet at lvl 5
Blindsense: 60 feet
Blindsight: 30 feet
Not sure if those numbers are good... or bad...
Still, its a more realistic depiction in my mind.
| Tacticslion |
Dot. No promise of definite suggestions, but adding it to the things I'm thinking about. :)
| Kazaan |
Well, for one thing, the Clouded Vision curse is just that... your vision is clouded, not absent. You are, specifically, not blind but you have difficulty seeing. And within your limited range of vision, you can see a lot more than what more mundane individuals might see. Furthermore, someone who's nearly or completely blind isn't going to be running around adventuring. They're going to be meditating in a temple or shrine. Clouded Vision means you have trouble seeing but what you do see is far more clear just as the Lame curse means you have trouble walking but what you can walk is far more sturdy. Lame doesn't mean you're completely paralyzed from the waist down; Clouded Vision doesn't mean you're completely blind.
| BlueStorm |
Well, for one thing, the Clouded Vision curse is just that... your vision is clouded, not absent. You are, specifically, not blind but you have difficulty seeing. And within your limited range of vision, you can see a lot more than what more mundane individuals might see. Furthermore, someone who's nearly or completely blind isn't going to be running around adventuring. They're going to be meditating in a temple or shrine. Clouded Vision means you have trouble seeing but what you do see is far more clear just as the Lame curse means you have trouble walking but what you can walk is far more sturdy. Lame doesn't mean you're completely paralyzed from the waist down; Clouded Vision doesn't mean you're completely blind.
That's kinda why I left the point of the normal vision for about 5-10 feet. Not blind, but a lot worse than Near sighted.
I measured out the distances in Real life, and 30 feet is about the width of the college common room I'm in. And 60 is bigger than the entire room. 60 feet feels to be around the distance my shortsighted mother can see. And all things considered, that's nothing special. And in an urban area is virtually zero hinderence.
Being able to see 10 feet forward in detail seems more natural for a clouded vision. It's just enough to see clearly someone right in front of you on the opposite side of a table. (Again, I measured) but still short enough that it's a genuine hinderence instead of a free pass in an urban environment where 60 is enough to see inside a store on the other. Side of a city street.
I admit, I guess that 5 feet is a bit small to start with, and as the increased limit, 15 feet might be more reasonable.
I'll go revise that...
Anyways, my general thought is that a character with limited normal vision should have their less detailed senses extend further than their normal ones.
Edit: Okay, I guess I can't edit the Origional post. So I'll post it here.
Normal Vision/Darkvision: 10 Feet, expands to 15 feet at lvl 5
Blindsense: 80 feet
Blindsight: 40 feet
| BlueStorm |
Is your vision of blind sense/blindsight blocked by walls?
Blindsight doesn't let you see through walls. It's not X-Ray vision.
I find it odd one needs to mention that. It's described as "Line of effect", so it needs a more or less unobstructed path to the subject. Which means, that walls do indeed block it.