Min / max PC Height and Weight limits in PFS

[Malehavoc's Revenge]

So i have a question about Min/Max ht and wt for PC's in PFS. The PFS campaign guide only mentions max and min age limits. I am retraining my PC and changing some major aspects of him. mostly race and feats. Currently it says you can change all aspects of the PC except for his number. Until he levels up,must be done between adventures and nothing can change after 2nd level.

So my question is this, he started as a halfling rogue and am now making him a Tiefling rogue(scout). Now i also want him to be still the same ht and wt as the halfling for RP and PC flavor. Is this allowed to be done?. Since it doesn't affect anything as per RAW.

I play him as a short stumpy socially uncomfortable PC with a giant complex. I Play him as a some what insane pc.

[Marthian]

Not sure. at the very least, he is still going to have to be medium size due to there not being anything to have a smaller tiefling (that I'm aware of).

[Eric Clingenpeel]

Mike has stated previously that there can be no small tieflings in PFS. That being said, just be a short as a medium tiefling can be and still play it that way.

[Lab_Rat]

This comes along the same line as any other re-skinning question. To an extent re-skinning is aloud but when your re-skinning goes as far as to look like something else that has it's own set of rules then you have usually gone too far. I would say that you should avoid this because while tieflings are medium sized creatures you are portraying him as a small sized creature and that can have effects and add confusion at the table. I usually allow a good deal of variation on weight and height but within reason (still considered a medium size creature by description).

If Mike chimes in with a more strict rulling then even I may have to change something as my human barbarian is pushing 7 ft tall and my Bloat Mage is close to 400 lbs.

[Malehavoc's Revenge]

Lab_Rat wrote:

This comes along the same line as any other re-skinning question. To an extent re-skinning is aloud but when your re-skinning goes as far as to look like something else that has it's own set of rules then you have usually gone too far. I would say that you should avoid this because while tieflings are medium sized creatures you are portraying him as a small sized creature and that can have effects and add confusion at the table. I usually allow a good deal of variation on weight and height but within reason (still considered a medium size creature by description).

If Mike chimes in with a more strict rulling then even I may have to change something as my human barbarian is pushing 7 ft tall and my Bloat Mage is close to 400 lbs.

Well he still looks like a tiefling and works like a tiefling, just very short and underweight. I am aware of the re-skinning ruling. Didn't think that this would fall under that. i just wont make him that short then.

[Funky Badger]

Make him as short as you like, as long as you don't make him Small.

:-)

[Lab_Rat]

The problem comes when you describe him as small as a halfling. Then questions like...well can he squeeze through that small space? Or can he hide under that table or behind that small chair? These are subjective questions that a GM has to answer. As a Gm I would answer based on your size (halflings/gnome are a yes but other races are a no). So I now have to think of your character as medium, even though the whole time you have been describing yourself as small, and tell you that no you can not because you are medium sized by stats.

[Malehavoc's Revenge]

Lab_Rat wrote:

The problem comes when you describe him as small as a halfling. Then questions like...well can he squeeze through that small space? Or can he hide under that table or behind that small chair? These are subjective questions that a GM has to answer. As a Gm I would answer based on your size (halflings/gnome are a yes but other races are a no). So I now have to think of your character as medium, even though the whole time you have been describing yourself as small, and tell you that no you can not because you are medium sized by stats.

well he is currently a small PC, but after the conversion. he will be a very short medium PC. he wont be describe as a small pc. What is the ht limit that make's your PC a Sm size or Lg size from med size anyways?. is it race based, or abitrary?.

[Don Walker]

When there is no specific overriding rule for PFS we use the standard Pathfinder RPG rules. I do not believe you can exceed the racial height and weight limits imposed by the rules. But you can certainly describe your character as very tall or very short, very thin or very fat.

[David knott 242]

Pygmies have average heights under 5 feet, so we could use 4 1/2 feet as a reasonable average. That would make them slightly taller and much thinner than dwarves and much bigger than gnomes or halflings -- and in any case they would still be at the lower end of size Medium.

In the old 3.5 rules, the height range for size Medium was 4 to 8 feet, and races were generally assigned size categories according to whether their average heights fell within that range or not. By that logic, dwarves qualified as size Medium because their average height was just above 4 feet -- and their average weights were solidly in the range of other size Medium races.