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For my first two characters, I've done fairly well using the PRD and the Guide to PFSOP for character generation and advancement. But neither seems to have a comprehensive list of all the ways can spend prestige to improve your character or make it more interesting.
Anybody know of anyplace where a list or table of these is posted online? Or will I have to bite the bullet and go get a copy of the Field Guide in order to understand all the ways that prestige is intended to be used in PFSOP? And is that the only source other than the Guide to PFSOP - or is there any other approved list of ways you can spend prestige?
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Field Guide is pretty much the only book with PFS Vanities. As such you must own the book or the PDF to use anything from it.
"biting the bullet" supports Paizo and PFS, it also is a good book, the same as Seekers of Secrets. Both give the reader allot of background of the Pathfinder group.
Not to Argue with a 4 star GM and a Venture-Lieutenant, but
Pathfinder Society Organized Play assumes that every player has the following resources.
• Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook
• Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Pathfinder Society Field Guide
• Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play (this document)
The whole point of the core assumption is that you don't have to prove you have the books, should you own the books? Yes, but its not required in order to utilize them.
Would you make your players prove they have the Core Rulebook?
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Sorry, I was clearly wrong.
How will he see the Vanities? They are not online.
It is part of the core assumption, I imagine if he meets with someone he can look over another persons book. He may also be playing online, not able to borrow a book.
But I do recommend this book, as well as the CRB, and Seekers of Secrets.
Also the Core Assumption does in fact change over time.
Seeker of Secrets was part of the core assumption before the Field Guide, at some point later we hopefully will see another PFS book replacing the field guide from the core assumption.
Should players actually have the Field Guide? Or the CRB, I would hope so.
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Paizo has done a good job of making lots of content freely available online, to help new players get started on the game. That's one of the things I liked that caused me to switch from that other game which kept changing their rules edition and trying to make people buy and replace more books. I did have a chance to peruse the Field Guide recently, enough to see that there were things in there that should probably be accessible to every player - especially when you start earning prestige in your first session and have enough to purchase some of the vanities therein.
I think there is an obvious miss in not having some of this online. I appreciate the quick responses clarifying that it is not there at this time. This suggests that if I want my player to have the secret knowledge, to know how he can use prestige in any ways other than those shown in the tables in the guide to PFSOP, I need to go find a book or a PDF. I'm not totally cheap, but where things are available for free, that's the price I prefer to pay. I was a bit surprised to see all the community discussions regarding spending prestige, but to not find a complete list of rules for it online. That suggests that most people talking about it have either already bought the Field Guide or have used or memorized the parts they are talking about. It is becoming common knowledge for many of you, just not for us newbies.
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Well the problem is the Field Guide, is not open content. So this info likely will never be online. The Seekers of Secrets book is the same, likely never to be online.
I usually have mine with me, when I GM, as a player the only time I usually bring them is if I am playing 2 characters. I have 1 character that has a PrC from Seekers, and another that uses an archetype from the Field Guide.
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Paizo has to decide what they want to make open content, and how they want to make money. Just seems odd that something like how to spend prestige (which you can earn in every OP session, not just every level) is not completely detailed in the Guide to PFSOP or an attached table.
Maybe we can hope for it to be included in an upcoming revision. My understanding was that the PP system was devised specifically for OP, and if the core assumption is that we have access to these rules, why not make them more accessible? The bulk of what players need is included in the PRD and the guide to PFSOP, so why not open up the rest of the commonly needed resource material? I have seen lots of people borrow the CRB, and even play or GM without it. The searchable PDF or online OC rules are quicker to access, and for a tangible product, I prefer the GM screen for rules that need to be accessed frequently. Nothing disrupts a game like having to flip through a book because someone doesn't recall how something works.
On a related topic, has anyone heard if online session tracking will eventually keep track of prestige expenditure, not just total fame? That would be the next place I'd expect to see this (chronicle sheets show it today), and if it does go to OC after that, into some of the character generation and advancement tools like Hero Lab and others.
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Field Guide is pretty much the only book with PFS Vanities. As such you must own the book or the PDF to use anything from it.
"biting the bullet" supports Paizo and PFS, it also is a good book, the same as Seekers of Secrets. Both give the reader allot of background of the Pathfinder group.
Not to Argue with a 4 star GM and a Venture-Lieutenant, but
Pathfinder Society Organized Play assumes that every player has the following resources.
• Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook
• Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Pathfinder Society Field Guide
• Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play (this document)The whole point of the core assumption is that you don't have to prove you have the books, should you own the books? Yes, but its not required in order to utilize them.
Would you make your players prove they have the Core Rulebook?
However, since this core assumption book is not in the PRD, and while I own the book in both hard copy and electronic copy, if someone wanted to use something from it, and I was not familiar with what it did, they would have to produce the information.
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Fame earned is for the glory of your faction, which is needed across PFS. However, prestige spent is about individual PCs, and will most likely never be tracked.
Well, it can't hurt to ask. It surely won't happen if nobody does. To be honest, I hadn't thought about using prestige unless my first PC suffered some unfortunate mishap. But now that I have a second that is getting most of his awards via GM chronicles, I think it would be fun to give him some vanities. If he's gaining most of his progression when I run things I've played through with the other, his odds of needing things like Raise Dead should be somewhat reduced. Now that I've said that, the odds are probably out the window.
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Core assumption FAQ,
What books are Pathfinder Society players and GMs assumed to have?
Pathfinder Society Organized Play assumes that every player has access to the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook and a familiarity with Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Pathfinder Society Field Guide, and that every Game Master has access to the above plus the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary. When designing and developing scenarios, we assume that references to rules or flavor in these books needn't be explained. Lack of access to these materials may prevent players or GMs from being able to participate in the campaign. All relevant content from both the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook and Pathfinder RPG Bestiary may be found for free on the Pathfinder Reference Document at http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/.
If you plan on building a character with the field guide, I would pick up a copy.
Or post a new forum titled. "Please make the Field Guide OGC".
I hope a new book will come out and have all PFS content included, as well as being a hardback.
