Advanced Race Guide race level adj?


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I've been looking through the "Advanced Race Guide" I just got and I can't find the "level adjustment" info for the races. Can someone point me in the right direction please?
Sorry if this isn't where this goes. My 1st post and I didn't see any other place that would make more sense.

Grand Lodge

Rules questions, and I don't think PF uses LA.

Shadow Lodge

There is no level adjustment, and this is probably the wrong forum.

Sovereign Court

Just flag it guys. Heheh.

As they said Pathfinder does not use the Level Adjustment system that D&D used. It created too many problems and the only people who really know if something is too powerful for their game are the people running them.


Sorry this is in the wrong forum. I only had 5 forums to choose from for some reason.

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Silver Crusade

As stated above, no level adjustment in Pathfinder. Its up to your GM to decide if a race is appropriate. Level adjustments were seen as too arbitrary, and increasely useless at higher levels.


Thanks all. Again sorry for the wrong forum.


Well, wait a minute - Pathfinder may not technically use the Level Adjustment system, but it has one of its own for more powerful races, depending on their race point total:

PRD - Advanced Race Guide - Race Builder wrote:

Challenging Advanced and Monstrous Races

Because they have powerful racial traits and abilities, advanced and monstrous races require greater challenges, especially at lower levels. The basic guideline for accomplishing this is to treat a group of characters with advanced and monstrous races as a level or more higher for a number of levels based on their total RP spent, using the following chart. Calculate the party's adjusted average party level, and use that number, rather than the actual APL, when creating encounters and adventures for the group. For groups with mixed power levels, average the RP and round the result to the nearest multiple of 10.

20-29 RP applies a +1 to party level for levels 1-5.

30-39 RP applies a +2 for levels 1-5, and +1 for levels 6-10.
40-49 RP applies a +3 for levels 1-5, +2 for levels 6-10, and +1 for levels 11-15.


But that's only for determining encounter strength, not actually LA. The party may be level 5, but their APL for encounters should be treated at 6.


none exists because it is intended to be eyeballed by the DM. the race point totals really don't work as well as they are said to. and you could have an overpriced and underpowered 30 point race that is weaker than a cheaply made and overpowered 10 point race abusing every last synergy. the racial menu rules are also rather poor. so the race points are really out of whack and fail to calculate. the advanced race guide is good for one thing, easy categorization of the races from the first 3 bestiaries with additional options for each one. any system that declares half elves as more powerful than humans is flawed as is the same system that declares full orcs weaker than half orcs.


It doesn't? Half elves have qualities that make them better than elves at certain things, like being fighters, where elves are better at certain things, like being wizards.

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