Wearing a ring inside the finger and another wand-question.

[TheRipper]

Hi,
I'm currently equipping a troll and wondered what counts as "wearing a ring".

1. Would a troll still benefit from a ring if he wore it inside his finger (i.e. around the finger bone)? Due to his regeneration it shouldn't be a problem to heal the flesh around it, but it would be well hidden.

2. In addition, if someone casts magic aura on the ring, would anyone be able to detect the ring? Magic aura protects it from casual detection and the will save seems to be only allowed if it was properly examined. And why would anybody think "let's open his finger".

3. Would the ring (and magic aura) also be protected from dispel magic as the flesh blocks line of effect/sight?

About the wand:

Magic item creation (PRD) wrote:

Since different classes get access to certain spells at different levels, the prices for two characters to make the same item might actually be different. An item is only worth two times what the caster of the lowest possible level can make it for. Calculate the market price based on the lowest possible level caster, no matter who makes the item.

Does this mean "caster level" or "character level"?

I want to buy a wand of lesser restoration. This could either be made by a cleric/druid 3 (CL 3, 4500gp) or a paladin 4 (CL 1, 750gp). The cleric/druid would have the lower character level (though higher price) and the paladin would have the lower caster level (and lower price). From an economic view it would be more reasonable to use the lower price, assuming there are enough level 4 paladins compared to level 3 clerics/druids to lower the market price.

The "prefer cleric/wizard" part seems to count for scrolls only.

Magic item creation (PRD) wrote:

Not all items adhere to these formulas. First and foremost, these few formulas aren't enough to truly gauge the exact differences between items. The price of a magic item may be modified based on its actual worth. The formulas only provide a starting point. The pricing of scrolls assumes that, whenever possible, a wizard or cleric created it. Potions and wands follow the formulas exactly. Staves follow the formulas closely, and other items require at least some judgment calls.

[Corren28]

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1. Would a troll still benefit from a ring if he wore it inside his finger (i.e. around the finger bone)? Due to his regeneration it shouldn't be a problem to heal the flesh around it, but it would be well hidden.

2. In addition, if someone casts magic aura on the ring, would anyone be able to detect the ring? Magic aura protects it from casual detection and the will save seems to be only allowed if it was properly examined. And why would anybody think "let's open his finger".

3. Would the ring (and magic aura) also be protected from dispel magic as the flesh blocks line of effect/sight?

I'm not sure you're going to find RAW supporting or denying the idea. Kudos for thinking outside the box, but this is probably going to have to be a DM call.

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I want to buy a wand of lesser restoration. This could either be made by a cleric/druid 3 (CL 3, 4500gp) or a paladin 4 (CL 1, 750gp). The cleric/druid would have the lower character level (though higher price) and the paladin would have the lower caster level (and lower price). From an economic view it would be more reasonable to use the lower price, assuming there are enough level 4 paladins compared to level 3 clerics/druids to lower the market price.

I can find nothing wrong with the logic here. There's nothing that says a paladin can't take the requisite creation feats and spellcraft is even a class skill for paladins. If you are wanting to make a paladin with the ability to do this it should work just fine. If you're trying to logic your way to a cheaper price for the item you may have a tough time convincing your DM there are enough paladins out there working on magic items instead of pushing evil's head up it's @#$.

[wraithstrike]

1. I would not even allow the ring to be worn under the skin. Most GM's would assume the skin grew under the ring. In short this is a GM Fiat question just because of the issue of allowing the ring to be covered by skin.

2. If they don't use identify they should not know.

3. This is also a GM call, and since I can see this starting an argument at the table, it is another reason to not allow it, since it was never intended to have magic items under skin.

The magic item question means caster level, not character level. That matters because the caster level is what determines the exact properties of the item that relate to caster level. As an example a wand of fireball created at CL10 does more damage than one created at CL 5.

[Weirdo]

A Wand of Lesser Restoration can indeed be purchased for 750 gp as a CL 1 item. We can assume that there are some 4th level Paladins who in their downtime work with clerical wandscrafters to make items useful in the defeat of evil. It only functions as CL 1 spell, but since Lesser Restoration doesn't have level-dependent effects this doesn't matter much.

The ring under the finger definitely sounds like a DM call. If I were DM, I'd probably disallow it for balance reasons. But if it worked, you'd probably have to either make Magic Aura permanent or refresh the spell every few days by cutting back into your finger to get at the ring.

[Dust Raven]

TheRipper wrote:

Hi,

I'm currently equipping a troll and wondered what counts as "wearing a ring".

1. Would a troll still benefit from a ring if he wore it inside his finger (i.e. around the finger bone)? Due to his regeneration it shouldn't be a problem to heal the flesh around it, but it would be well hidden.

No. Magic rings resize to their wearers. So it would just expand to fit over the regrown flesh.

[Baelin]

Magic Rings are one of those peculiar little quirks with a lot of baggage carried over from dear ol' Mr. Tolkien whose "Rings of Power" define much of our current understanding of how magic rings work. (The other classic example being the Genie's Magic Ring of course).

1) Regarding whether you can wear a ring on a finger or a bone, there's nothing that says you can't. You can support this fact by stating that skeletons, liches and other bony beings can still benefit from magic rings after all. There's also plenty of literary examples of how you can wear magic rings in unusual ways (on toes inside boots, as earrings, as piercings *shudder*, and any place else you could conceivably wear a piece of jewelry.

2) Using Magic Aura to conceal the telltale aura's of magic items is a legitimate use of the spell. However, any searcher actively using Detect Magic or some other form of divination to search your corpse would automatically get a Saving Throw to disbelieve the spell (Active searches counts as 'interacting' with the illusion).

3) I'm assuming you're referring to an Area Dispel from Greater Dispel Magic since a targeted dispel would have to be aimed specifically at the ring itself).

As a general rule, however, mere flesh does not block line of effect for the purpose of magical fields and such. The definition of the issue is blur here but it's generally accepted that you, and everything on you, count as 'one target' for non-targeted effects. For example, a Beholder's Anti Magic Eye/Aura would shut down everything on you, whether it's inside your body or not.