Couple question for one of my players who is a Druid


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Hello I am currently running a campaign and one of my players is a 6 Druid/1 Barbarian/ 1 Monk. I am having a hard time figuring out his attacks and some of the rules that would apply to him. Here is a list of some of the things to consider.

-He is wearing Monk Robes, so that raises his unarmed attacks to 1d8 I believe.
-He is a Saurian Shaman
-He has improved natural attack
-Enlarge person is cast often on him
-With just turning level 8 and now being a level 6 druid, he can wild shape into a Huge size category.
-With gear I believe he has an 18 strength
-As a Barbarian he can Rage

So what I am really trying to figure out is what are the number of attacks he should have and what are the damage numbers. With a +5 BAB he only has 1 normal unarmed attack. Saurian Shaman gives 1 bite and two claws. Also you can flurry being a Monk, so with just a standard attack how many attacks can you do and also how many with a full round action. Then when he Wild shapes, do you only get what attacks the animal you turn into has or do any of the above attack options add any to your attack chain?

Also for his AC, when he Wild shapes does he lose the AC bonus from Bracers of Armor? I read that if the armor doesn't have the Wild enhancement it loses it's armor bonus but I'm not sure if that applies to bracers of armor.

Any help on these questions would be most appreciated.

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Nivek55555 wrote:
Hello I am currently running a campaign and one of my players is a 6 Druid/1 Barbarian/ 1 Monk.

Before I answer the rest of your question, monks must be lawfully aligned and barbarians must be non-lawful... so unless you're just throwing alignment prerequisites out the window, that's an illegal build. Druids can be "any neutral," so LN could be a druid/monk and CN, NG, NE, or N could be a druid/barbarian, but all three is technically not possible.

Nivek55555 wrote:
-He is wearing Monk Robes, so that raises his unarmed attacks to 1d8 I believe.

That is correct.

Nivek55555 wrote:

-He is a Saurian Shaman

-He has improved natural attack
-Enlarge person is cast often on him

Improved Natural Attack does not apply to unarmed strikes. Enlarge person would not stack with wild shape, but would allow his enlarged unarmed strikes in humanoid form to deal 2d6 damage each.

Nivek55555 wrote:
-With just turning level 8 and now being a level 6 druid, he can wild shape into a Huge size category.

Correct, as long as his form is that of a dinosaur or reptile. Improved Natural Attack becomes valid in wild shape, but his enhanced damage from monk no longer applies.

Nivek55555 wrote:

-With gear I believe he has an 18 strength

-As a Barbarian he can Rage

His Rage would stack with other STR enhancements, allowing his total STR to reach 22 in this case (albeit for only a few rounds per day due to having a single barbarian level).

Nivek55555 wrote:
So what I am really trying to figure out is what are the number of attacks he should have and what are the damage numbers. With a +5 BAB he only has 1 normal unarmed attack. Saurian Shaman gives 1 bite and two claws. Also you can flurry being a Monk, so with just a standard attack how many attacks can you do and also how many with a full round action. Then when he Wild shapes, do you only get what attacks the animal you turn into has or do any of the above attack options add any to your attack chain?

If he stays in humanoid form, he can use flurry of blows to make 2 unarmed strikes at his normal (1d8) damage each, plus STR bonus. If he uses his Saurian Shaman ability to grow natural weapons, he loses the ability to flurry and loses his enhanced unarmed strike damage, dealing damage as normal for those natural attacks (1d6 bite, 1d4 claws, plus STR bonus) but he can now attack with both claws and a bite as a single full-round action. If he is enlarged, this goes up to 1d8 and 1d6, plus STR bonus. With Improved Natural Attack, whichever natural weapon he chose for that feat increases by 1 die size (the feat does not affect ALL natural attacks, he has to choose one).

When wild shaped, he uses the normal attacks for whatever animal he turns into. He cannot use extra attacks from high BAB or flurry in this form and again, his Improved Natural Attack feat only applies to the natural attack he chose when the feat was selected.

Nivek55555 wrote:
Also for his AC, when he Wild shapes does he lose the AC bonus from Bracers of Armor? I read that if the armor doesn't have the Wild enhancement it loses it's armor bonus but I'm not sure if that applies to bracers of armor.

Since the bracers provide an armor bonus, yes, the effect of the bracers is lost in wild shape if they do not have the 'wild' enhancement.


Nivek do remember when the your PC is Wildshaped s/he is not wearing armor and the Monk's wisdom to AC applies.


There is a few ways to become a monk that doesn't require you to be lawful (martial artist is one.)

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Marthian wrote:
There is a few ways to become a monk that doesn't require you to be lawful (martial artist is one.)

Fair enough, but he said 'monk' and not 'martial artist,' so I assume he's talking about the core class.


So to sum up, his attack options would be...

-1 normal attack at (1d8) or (2d6) if enlarged
-Flury at -1 to hit, (1d8/1d8) or (2d6/2d6) if enlarged
-Saurian N.A. - 1 Bite (1d8 with improved N.A.), 2 Claws (1d4)
-Enlarged Saurian N.A. - 1 Bite (2d6 with I.N.A.), 2 Claws (1d6)
-Wild Shape - whatever the attacks of the animal he turns into and he can go up to Huge size.

Also just to make sure... Enlarge person doesn't work on any animal form he would Wild shape into correct? Is there any item or spell that would increase a druid's size category when Wild shaped.

And for the 3 Saurian attacks, if you only have a standard action then you would only do the bite.

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Nivek55555 wrote:

So to sum up, his attack options would be...

-1 normal attack at (1d8) or (2d6) if enlarged
-Flury at -1 to hit, (1d8/1d8) or (2d6/2d6) if enlarged
-Saurian N.A. - 1 Bite (1d8 with improved N.A.), 2 Claws (1d4)
-Enlarged Saurian N.A. - 1 Bite (2d6 with I.N.A.), 2 Claws (1d6)
-Wild Shape - whatever the attacks of the animal he turns into and he can go up to Huge size.

Correct.

Nivek55555 wrote:
Also just to make sure... Enlarge person doesn't work on any animal form he would Wild shape into correct? Is there any item or spell that would increase a druid's size category when Wild shaped.

Wild shape is a polymorph effect. Polymorph effects cannot stack with any other effect which increases size. There is no way to become larger than the limits of his wild shape while in animal form.

Nivek55555 wrote:
And for the 3 Saurian attacks, if you only have a standard action then you would only do the bite.

Correct.

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