An Eidolon with Eldritch Heritage


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My Gut instinct says no, but I'm going to ask anyway just in case.

Say someone has put together there Eidolon and wants to add the feat Eldritch Hertiage:

Prerequisites: Cha 13, Skill Focus with the class skill of bloodline selected for this feat (see below), character level 3rd.

Benefit: Select one sorcerer bloodline. You must have Skill focus in the class skill that bloodline grants to a sorcerer at 1st level (for example, Heal for the celestial bloodline). This bloodline cannot be a bloodline you already have. You gain the first-level bloodline power for the selected bloodline. For purposes of using that power, treat your sorcerer level as equal to your character level – 2, even if you have levels in sorcerer. You do not gain any of the other bloodline abilities.

Now the first 2 Pre-reqs are pretty easy to accomplish, but the third seems undo-able, I'm fairly sure Eidolons don't get Character levels, or am I looking at this the wrong way?

Lantern Lodge

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As far as I read it, no. Eidolons get HD, not character levels. Otherwise, everything with CHA 13+, Skill Focus, and 3+ HD would qualify. Dragons, for example. Also unicorns. You get where I'm going, I imagine.

In any case, eidolons can get some pretty wild abilities just through their evolutions. They really don't need Eldritch Heritage.

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A Ninja wrote:

My Gut instinct says no, but I'm going to ask anyway just in case.

Say someone has put together there Eidolon and wants to add the feat Eldritch Hertiage:

Prerequisites: Cha 13, Skill Focus with the class skill of bloodline selected for this feat (see below), character level 3rd.

Benefit: Select one sorcerer bloodline. You must have Skill focus in the class skill that bloodline grants to a sorcerer at 1st level (for example, Heal for the celestial bloodline). This bloodline cannot be a bloodline you already have. You gain the first-level bloodline power for the selected bloodline. For purposes of using that power, treat your sorcerer level as equal to your character level – 2, even if you have levels in sorcerer. You do not gain any of the other bloodline abilities.

Now the first 2 Pre-reqs are pretty easy to accomplish, but the third seems undo-able, I'm fairly sure Eidolons don't get Character levels, or am I looking at this the wrong way?

Yeah, I've tried this before. Sadly, Eidolons don't get character levels. As a GM, I would totally allow it, though, cuz then you could have an Eidolon with a Familiar (arcane bloodline). :-D

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Yep.

Technically, an unfettered eidolon could gain class levels, but that's about it.

Daron Woodson
Abandoned Arts

Lantern Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber

An eidolon with a familiar hurts my head. I can see why someone would allow it, but my take on eidolons, since the fluff behind them is vague, kinda disallows the concept.

I've always pictured eidolons to be manifestations of the summoner's imagination, given form and substance through his will. They are bound to the summoner in such a way that precludes the binding of a familiar to the eidolon.

Of course, if you have a differing backstory for the origin of eidolons, my logic flies right out the window. To each his own, though.


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Heh. The Eidolon already HAS a familiar. It's called the Summoner.


Thanks for the responses guys, just had to double check.

As for the reason I thought of this, mostly for a Fluff thing, the extra abilities granted could really flesh out the hows and whys of the Eidolon.


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Aren't levels and hit dice supposed to be synonymous as far the rules are concerned?


Ravingdork wrote:
Aren't levels and hit dice supposed to be synonymous as far the rules are concerned?

Hit dice can be represented as "Racial HD", "character levels", or any combination of the two.

Character levels are strictly composed of class levels.

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Level: A character's level represents his overall ability and power. There are three types of levels. Class level is the number of levels of a specific class possessed by a character. Character level is the sum of all of the levels possessed by a character in all of his classes. In addition, spells have a level associated with them numbered from 0 to 9. This level indicates the general power of the spell. As a spellcaster gains levels, he learns to cast spells of a higher level.

Liberty's Edge

Abandoned Arts wrote:

Yep.

Technically, an unfettered eidolon could gain class levels, but that's about it.

Daron Woodson
Abandoned Arts

"Technically", How does an Eidolon ever gain a class level by simply being 'unfetter'ed? because that seems rather outlandish.


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I think he's referring to the creature entry from Bestiary III, rather than the unfetter spell, Winterwalker.

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Ravingdork wrote:
I think he's referring to the creature entry from Bestiary III, rather than the unfetter spell, Winterwalker.

That doesn't seem quite on topic the the OPs question, but OK, fair enough.


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Well, it IS an eidolon that could possibly take Eldritch Heritage. Seems pretty spot on to me.

Liberty's Edge

Not in the context that he's asking about a guy that wants to give HIS Eidolon feats it isn't.


Unless the GM lets them homebrew a bit and dump their summoner to play the eidolon

....Note to self: play an all eidolon game. Anyway, yeah, it is not helpful for eidolons normally.

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