| Odd Gospel |
I've tried to do my best searching the forums and the rest of the internet, but I still have some questions and want to confirm what I think I know. I'll number things and try to give examples where needed.
1. I Have not been able to find a guide on the actual skill checks made. Do I make a spell craft check every day of item creation? Or is it every 1000 gp worth of creation? Or is it one check per item?
2. The DC to create the item is the the caster level listed for the ability. IE: spell storing is cl 12th, so total DC to create is 17?
3. You can take 10 for this check?
4. That Caster level does not get any higher for items like Bracers of armor, no matter the armor bonus they provide, IE: the DC to create bracers of armor +1 and +8 are both 12 (CL 7)
5A. This is a big one that has me confused. For arms and armor there is the special prerequisite that the creator must be 3 times the lvl of any enhancement bonus he provides IE lvl 6 caster is limited to a plus +2 bonus. But could that same caster provide a +2 enhancement and a +2 special ability such as Unholy.
5B. In the case above for the unholy +2 sword, the cost would half of a strait +4 (32000 gp base).
5C. IE a creator can make up to 1/3rd his caster level in enhancement bonus but can add special effects above that limit?
5D. What is the limit to special abilities, A +1 is required before any special ability can be placed on an item, but can you place a +2 special ability on a +1 enhancement sword? IE can the special ability bonus exceed the enhancement bonus?
Thank you in advance for your help.
| Karlgamer |
I think I have all your answers but I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
1. I Have not been able to find a guide on the actual skill checks made. Do I make a spell craft check every day of item creation? Or is it every 1000 gp worth of creation? Or is it one check per item?
I think it's one check.
2. The DC to create the item is the the caster level listed for the ability. IE: spell storing is cl 12th, so total DC to create is 17?
yes
"The DC to create a magic item is 5 + the caster level for the item."3. You can take 10 for this check?
yes
4. That Caster level does not get any higher for items like Bracers of armor, no matter the armor bonus they provide, IE: the DC to create bracers of armor +1 and +8 are both 12 (CL 7)
"creator's caster level must be at least two times that of the bonus placed in the bracers"
5A. This is a big one that has me confused. For arms and armor there is the special prerequisite that the creator must be 3 times the lvl of any enhancement bonus he provides IE lvl 6 caster is limited to a plus +2 bonus. But could that same caster provide a +2 enhancement and a +2 special ability such as Unholy.
no. only that would be effectively +4.
5B. In the case above for the unholy +2 sword, the cost would half of a strait +4 (32000 gp base).
"A weapon can't have an enhancement bonus higher than +5. Use these lines to determine price when special abilities are added in."
5D. What is the limit to special abilities, A +1 is required before any special ability can be placed on an item, but can you place a +2 special ability on a +1 enhancement sword? IE can the special ability bonus exceed the enhancement bonus?
yes.
| Quatar |
1) one check per item
2) CL listed is for when you buy the item actually. You can't make CL higher then yourself, but you can make it lower. It's important for dispelling the item, and some statistics work off it, but mostly you can set the CL at whatever you want.
3) yes
4) CL3 for +1 bracers, CL 6 for +2 etc.
5a) The three times enhancement bonus is only for the enhancement bonus (the +2 for example) not the other special stuff. So that level 6 crafter could make a +2 weapon with +8 in special abilities (if he has the money. also see 5d)
5b) yes
5c) yes
5d) Only +1 is required. I'm not 100% sure if the special abilities are maxed at +5 too, or if you can actually make a +1 weapon with +9 in special abilities. I think it's possible as it nowhere stats that it's limited (only the actual enhancement bonus is capped at +5)
| Odd Gospel |
Thank you for your answers. I'm currently working to source them so I can take them to my DM.
A few more questions though if you don't mind.
The DC to create a magic item increases by +5 for each prerequisite the caster does not meet. The only exception to this is the requisite item creation feat, which is mandatory. In addition, you cannot create potions, spell-trigger, or spell-completion magic items without meeting their spell prerequisites.
Does the above quote allow you to bypass the caster lvl of an item?
IE can that same 6th lvl wizard make a +1 unholy short sword, by adding plus five to the DC. IE 5(base) + 7 (cl listed in book)+ 5 (for not meeting the CL prerequisite.
The reason I think this works is because the construction requirements listing spells out that the creator must be a caster of at least 12th lvl. This listing isn't on the other special abilities or magic items.
Is there any list of what requirements can be ignored for a plus five bonus?
| MurphysParadox |
1) Furthermore, it is one check per item made at the end of the enchanting period. So if you are doing 1000g a day of enchanting and are making a +2 sword, you will roll at the end of 8 days. The GM should actually do the roll because if you roll poorly enough, you may have a cursed item and not know it.
2) The CL listed on an item + 5 is the base DC. You can add more to the crafting DC by doing things like making it faster or to account for missing requirements (spells or feats).
3) Maybe. Some people argue that, since it can become cursed, it counts as a dangerous situation and thus you can't take 10. I believe most people do allow it though (myself included).
4) Yes.
5a) Don't know about that one... I think it is just the enhancement bonus because otherwise you'd have to be a CL20 caster to make a +5 weapon with a +5 equivalent magical effect.
5B) Yes.
5C) Yes. So a level 5 can make a +1 flaming acid burst menacing great sword if he wants, it will just take a long time and cost a lot of money.
5D) Yes.