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Scene: Bad guy drops a smokestick, granting himself 20% concealment thus negating sneak attacks.
Enter the rogue with improved blind fighting.
Can the rogue sneak attack the bad guy? Assuming surprise or flanking of course.
Improved Blind-Fight (Combat)
Your keen senses guide your hand against hidden foes.
Benefit: Your melee attacks ignore the miss chance for less than total concealment. You may still reroll your miss chance percentile roll for total concealment.
Does Sneak Attack state that you lose it when the enemy is concealed?
Improved Blind-Fight states you ignore the miss chance, so I'd say it lets you ignore the penalty as well.
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Does Sneak Attack state that you lose it when the enemy is concealed?
Improved Blind-Fight states you ignore the miss chance, so I'd say it lets you ignore the penalty as well.
See the last line of Sneak attack. "A rogue cannot sneak attack while striking a creature with concealment."
Sneak Attack: If a rogue can catch an opponent when he is unable to defend himself effectively from her attack, she can strike a vital spot for extra damage.
The rogue's attack deals extra damage anytime her target would be denied a Dexterity bonus to AC (whether the target actually has a Dexterity bonus or not), or when the rogue flanks her target. This extra damage is 1d6 at 1st level, and increases by 1d6 every two rogue levels thereafter. Should the rogue score a critical hit with a sneak attack, this extra damage is not multiplied. Ranged attacks can count as sneak attacks only if the target is within 30 feet.
With a weapon that deals nonlethal damage (like a sap, whip, or an unarmed strike), a rogue can make a sneak attack that deals nonlethal damage instead of lethal damage. She cannot use a weapon that deals lethal damage to deal nonlethal damage in a sneak attack, not even with the usual –4 penalty.
The rogue must be able to see the target well enough to pick out a vital spot and must be able to reach such a spot. A rogue cannot sneak attack while striking a creature with concealment.
As if the Rogue wasn't shafted enough by how weak it is.
I'd say Improved Blind-Fight lets you Sneak Attack a concealed enemy.
You could take the Feat Shadow Strike from the APG which allows you to sneak attack creatures with Concealment but not Total Concealment, However it does not allow you to ignore the miss chance of concealment. For that you'd have to take the Blind-fight/Improved Blind fight.
So a Rogue has to take three separate feats just to overcome one thing?
...wow.
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So a Rogue has to take three separate feats just to overcome one thing?
...wow.
He needs one feat to sneak attack in normal concealment (which is 80% of concealment situations). If you want to sneak attack in corner cases such as enemy with displacement or in case you're blinded, well, corner case builds are always feat-expensive.
That's what makes concealment so good.
That's what makes concealment so good.
And we all know which classes have the easiest access to it.
Casters.
That's what makes concealment so good.And we all know which classes have the easiest access to it.
Casters.
Oh, Caster's have easy access to everything.
Either way, we can be glad that Paizo thought it appropriate to do an item-fix to this issue in Ultimate Equipment, in the form of the headband of ninjitsu, which allows sneak attacking if the target is affected by concealment or total concealment.
-Matt
Though Displacement grants a 50% concealment as if they had Total Concealment... Does it still count?
Just to weigh in here:
By RAW:
Concealment comes with a 20% miss chance. However Concealment is also a condition.
Improved Blind Fighting removes the miss chance but not the concealment condition.
The rationale being that two feats (and 10ranks) is a higher cost than 1feat (and a +1BAB requirement).
- Gauss
A Ninja:
The spell specifies that it does not prevent enemies from targeting the creature normally. Sneak attacks should still apply.
- Gauss