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Suppose a monk takes a vow of silence. Suppose further that the monk has a level of empyreal sorcerer. Would casting a spell with a verbal component violate the vow?
If so, the monk could get around the problem with Silent Spell, but that would require either 3 more levels of sorcerer (to cast 2nd level spells) or a lesser metamagic rod (3000 gp).
Why not ask the DM if you could get Silent Spell without the modification to it, like a deaf Oracle would?
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Why not ask the DM if you could get Silent Spell without the modification to it, like a deaf Oracle would?
I do not think that would be appropriate. The Oracle's curse in involuntary (at least in-game) and specifically provides that benefit along with the handicap. The vow of silence is entirely voluntary, and provides the benefit of extra Ki. If using a spell violates the vow, then it means the monk deliberately violated his vow and should pay the price.
Why not ask the DM if you could get Silent Spell without the modification to it, like a deaf Oracle would?I do not think that would be appropriate. The Oracle's curse in involuntary (at least in-game) and specifically provides that benefit along with the handicap. The vow of silence is entirely voluntary, and provides the benefit of extra Ki. If using a spell violates the vow, then it means the monk deliberately violated his vow and should pay the price.
It's hard to say. Let's take a look at the Vow again:
The monk must speak no words and attempt to be quiet in his actions. Accidental noises and the sounds of battle (such as the sound of a fist or weapon striking an opponent) do not affect his vow, though most monks with this vow choose their weapons and opponents so as to minimize even these sounds. The monk is allowed to make a nonvocal noise to warn another of danger (such as by stomping or clapping). The monk is allowed to use gestures and motions to communicate with others (including sign language) and is allowed to write.
One can argue that a Monk casting a spell during combat would not break his Vow, since it is a sound of battle (and words are required to cast spells during combat), it would not break his vow. However, should he cast spells outside of combat, he would break the vow. One can also argue, however, that a spell isn't necessarily a sound of battle/combat, since it's a spell and not an attack, and therefore does not constitute it as such. It is up to GM FIAT, and is definitely something you should discuss with your GM.
The best suggestion (AKA, the worst case scenario) is to get the Silent Spell Metamagic feat and cast your spells that way; they do not require verbal components (AKA incantations), and would make you able to cast spells, since you still do provide any miscellaneous materials and perform gestures and ritualistic movement. Unfortunately, this would require you to pretty much forgo 9th level spells; but if you're a Monk and are casting spells through multi-classing, you probably aren't going to be casting 9th level spells anyway. You will, on the other hand, be unable to cast the highest level spell you could normally cast, unless you take feats for some spell exceptions.
You could also get a Metamagic Rod of Silent Spell, which will greatly help you out in the spell slot/points department.
That's all I can think of; good luck!
That is not the sound of battle. The example they used is one such as a fist striking which not be avoided, and is a result of the weapon. In the case of the monk he is speaking to cast spell. If he cast a spell that made an explosive sound, that would be a sound of battle.
I agree, the player and the character chose the Vow voluntarly, and they can decide to break it. They take penalties for that of course, but they can if they think they have to.
The deaf oracle can't suddenly decide to start hearing, just because it's convinient.
So those two don't really compare, and the sorcerer either has to pick spells without somatic components, or use the Silent metamagic.
Or not take the Vow of Silence.
You realise the rod only works 3 times per day, right?
You realise the rod only works 3 times per day, right?
Quickdraw and Multiple Rods FTW.
Multiple rods work of course, but they also cost multiple money.