Channeling positive energy Eidolons and Outsiders


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Grand Lodge

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I have been told repeatedly by multiple people in PFS games that I am DMing that Eidolon's do not get healed by channeling positive energy. They also said that a cleric had to take the alignment channeling feat and the cleric would have to channel that way in order to heal them.

I have searched the rules and can't see anything to back either claim.

Channel on the cleric says (for positive energy)

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/classes/cleric.html#_cleric wrote:

A good cleric (or one who worships a good deity) channels positive energy and can choose to deal damage to undead creatures or to heal living creatures.

So long as they are not undead it would heal them if they are targeting the living. To me this applies to outsiders as as long as they are living. So this would heal demons even if the cleric didn't do something to exclude them if they are in range (such as selective channelling).

Alignment Channel says the following

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/feats.html wrote:

Alignment Channel

...
Benefit: Instead of its normal effect, you can choose to have your ability to channel energy heal or harm outsiders of the chosen alignment subtype. You must make this choice each time you channel energy. If you choose to heal or harm creatures of the chosen alignment subtype, your channel energy has no effect on other creatures. The amount of damage healed or dealt and the DC to halve the damage is otherwise unchanged.

Special: You can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects do not stack. Each time you take this feat, it applies to a new alignment subtype. Whenever you channel energy, you must choose which type to effect

italics added.

This says it specifically targets outsiders that have the chosen alignment subtype. Meaning if you channel evil, to hit the creature it would have to be subtype Evil in order to heal or hurt them. Even if a demon saw the light and changed to good it would still have the subtype evil and be harmed or healed by this.

Eidolons do not have any alignment subtype so as it is written this couldn't target them at with any alignment subtype. Not to mention they are saying Aasimars have to have alignment Channel to heal them when they have no alignment subtype at all in the monster manual.

Is there some actual rule that I am missing? I see nothing that says if you channel positive energy it doesn't hit outsiders. I have one regular player that plays a summoner and he wanted me to research this.

Thanks in advance.


Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

I am pretty sure that you are correct. As outsiders, eidolons are definitely living creatures. Are there really PFS judges who get that one wrong?

Many people have confused the fact that the healing spells that a summoner gets work only on his eidolon with the unrelated and incorrect idea that eidolons cannot be healed by methods that work on all living creatures.

Silver Crusade

Are they regular eidolons, or synthesist summoners? Channeling, if I correctly recall, doesn't heal the eidolon of a synthesist summoner as those rules are different. But I don't see anything about regular eidolons on this topic.

Grand Lodge

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Xzaral wrote:
Are they regular eidolons, or synthesist summoners? Channeling, if I correctly recall, doesn't heal the eidolon of a synthesist summoner as those rules are different. But I don't see anything about regular eidolons on this topic.

They are regular Eidolons. Synthesist Eidolon's hitpoints are counted as temporary hitpoints, and thus can't be healed through normal healing. Also, Synthesists are now banned in Pathfinder Society too.

Scarab Sages

I have never heard that outsiders or eidolons could not be healed by positive energy. The point of alignment channel is to either be able to harm outsiders with positive channeling, or to heal outsiders with negative channeling.

I don't know about synthesists, but those aren't in PFS anymore anyways. (The OP mentioned it, even though this isn't in the PFS thread)
[partial ninja'd]

Silver Crusade

I did forget about the ban on Synthesists in society play.

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