Ok, just making sure this is right the way I read it,
The Undead bloodline lets you treat corporeal undead as if they were humanoids for mind affecting compulsions and such.
So, with this bloodline, you can cast Sleep on undead can you not? as well as any number of other spells, so long as it has "mind affecting compulsion" in the line for school/descriptor?
Undead Bloodline Arcane:
Bloodline Arcana: Some undead are susceptible to your mind-affecting spells. Corporeal undead that were once humanoids are treated as humanoids for the purposes of determining which spells affect them.
Sleep:
School enchantment (compulsion) [mind-affecting]; Level bard 1, sorcerer/wizard 1
Casting Time 1 round
Components V, S, M (fine sand, rose petals, or a live cricket)
Range medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)
Area one or more living creatures within a 10-ft.-radius burst
Duration 1 min./level
Saving Throw Will negates; Spell Resistance yes
A sleep spell causes a magical slumber to come upon 4 HD of creatures. Creatures with the fewest HD are affected first. Among creatures with equal HD, those who are closest to the spell's point of origin are affected first. HD that are not sufficient to affect a creature are wasted. Sleeping creatures are helpless. Slapping or wounding awakens an affected creature, but normal noise does not. Awakening a creature is a standard action (an application of the aid another action). Sleep does not target unconscious creatures, constructs, or undead creatures.
altho, as written, the arcana describes it as mind affecting, but then just says treat as humanoid, which would also give you things like Mass bulls str and such as well.
And, once you have an arcana, it affects all spells you cast not just from the sorcerer class, but all classes so long as they are of the right type? i.e. fire for ele/dragon/orc, compulsion/fey, whatever?
1) You can cast sleep on them, because in general humanoids are susceptible to it. That's clearly the intent of the arcana.
2) Going by strict reading of the text, yes, you can put Bull's Strength on them. The intent was almost certainly that it would only work for mind-affecting spells, so as a GM I'd go with that, but that's not what the RAW says.
3) Yes, it seems spells from other classes also work, although I'm not certain about this one. There might be a rule somewhere that says that if class X says something about spellcasting, it means the spellcasting of class X and not Y. I don't know if the rule exists, but it wouldn't surprise me.
If you want to use #2/3 then have a talk with your GM first, to avoid later conflict/disappointment. Because it's definitely got the smell of cheese to it.
My thing is it's for PFS, i'm a Bard, and I'm lookin at a lotta modules/scenarios with a ton of undead and i'm tired of being "damage by proxy" ala inspire courage, and identify this then run and hide.
I know that i coulda built another archetype, but we needed face/skill monkeys in my area as everyone is playing meatshield/ranged dps it seems.
I just wanna check to see if it works on my bard spells, if it does by RAW and there's no errata saying it doesn't, then i'll do it that way. Doesn't seem broken really as there's an archetype that does it the other way, but this way i get some "bang" spells too.
And, once you have an arcana, it affects all spells you cast not just from the sorcerer class, but all classes so long as they are of the right type? i.e. fire for ele/dragon/orc, compulsion/fey, whatever?
That's the way I've always seen it played. Lots of bards dip fey bloodline for the arcana alone.
Yeah, that's the purpose behind this question completely.
Crossblooded sorcerer dip 1 level gets to wash the will save, +2/-2, and take fey/undead so that all mind affecting spells work on corporeal undead, and a +2 to all compulsion DC's to boot.
gives me a 17 DC Lullaby(cantrip), and a DC 20 sleep/ 18 hideous laughter that work on undead.
Actually thought about undead/serpentine for animal/magical beasts/monstrous humanoid/undead all mind affecting.
