Spells known and spells per day


Rules Questions


When speaking of spontaneous arcane casters (like Sorcerers, Bards, etc.), are the following statements true:

I can always choose a spell of a lower level than the slot I have available when it comes to selecting a known spell.

I can always cast a spell of a lower level than the slot I have available when it comes to casting a spell.

i.e. an 8th level Sorcerer gains access to 3 fourth level spells per day, and chooses 1 fourth level spell to know. If I wanted to, I could choose Fireball for the spell known and then use all of the fourth level slots to cast Invisibility if I wanted to, presuming I already knew the spell.

Assuming all of this is true, it is also true that nothing about the spell chosen that changes - a fireball doesn't suddenly become a 4th level spell even though it was chosen in a 4th level slot, correct?

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Story Archer wrote:

When speaking of spontaneous arcane casters (like Sorcerers, Bards, etc.), are the following statements true:

I can always choose a spell of a lower level than the slot I have available when it comes to selecting a known spell.

I can always cast a spell of a lower level than the slot I have available when it comes to casting a spell.

i.e. an 8th level Sorcerer gains access to 3 fourth level spells per day, and chooses 1 fourth level spell to know. If I wanted to, I could choose Fireball for the spell known and then use all of the fourth level slots to cast Invisibility if I wanted to, presuming I already knew the spell.

Yes to all this.

Story Archer wrote:
Assuming all of this is true, it is also true that nothing about the spell chosen that changes - a fireball doesn't suddenly become a 4th level spell even though it was chosen in a 4th level slot, correct?

No, it's still a 3rd level spell. Heighten Spell would be pointless otherwise.


CrackedOzy wrote:
Story Archer wrote:

When speaking of spontaneous arcane casters (like Sorcerers, Bards, etc.), are the following statements true:

I can always choose a spell of a lower level than the slot I have available when it comes to selecting a known spell.

I can always cast a spell of a lower level than the slot I have available when it comes to casting a spell.

i.e. an 8th level Sorcerer gains access to 3 fourth level spells per day, and chooses 1 fourth level spell to know. If I wanted to, I could choose Fireball for the spell known and then use all of the fourth level slots to cast Invisibility if I wanted to, presuming I already knew the spell.

Yes to all this.

Story Archer wrote:
Assuming all of this is true, it is also true that nothing about the spell chosen that changes - a fireball doesn't suddenly become a 4th level spell even though it was chosen in a 4th level slot, correct?
No, it's still a 3rd level spell. Heighten Spell would be pointless otherwise.

Thanks :)


The answer to the first question is "no", as far as I can tell. I've seen no rules allowing you to choose a lower level spell as a spell known for a given level.

You can cast a lower level spell in a higher level slot, as per the magic rules.

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Are wrote:

You can cast a lower level spell in a higher level slot, as per the magic rules.

This is a nice perk of sorcerers over wizards.

Sorcerer: "What's that? We're fighting some kind of incorporeal tentacle-demon? Good thing I can cast magic missile about thirty times if I have to!"

Wizard: "I prepared two..."

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