Level Modifiers from Racial Points and Challenge Ratings


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I recently got the Advanced Race Guide and there is one part that is confusing me. On page 219, in the sidebar, it indicates that, starting out, if a person is using a non-standard race, then every 10 racial points after the first 10 adds one level adjustment to the race. But in appendix 4 of the Bestiary on page 314 it indicates that the challenge rating should be the level adjustment.

I looked at the vampire in the Bestiary and figured out how many racial points it has. I calculated it to be about 200 racial points, indicating a level adjustment of 19. But it only adds 2 challenge rating, indicating a level adjustment of 2.

I know the books were written years apart and vampires probably weren't written with the racial point rules, so I expected there to be some discrepancy, but a discrepancy of 17 levels is huge.

Does anyone out there know how to reconcile this discrepancy, in whole or in part?


relativemass wrote:

I recently got the Advanced Race Guide and there is one part that is confusing me. On page 219, in the sidebar, it indicates that, starting out, if a person is using a non-standard race, then every 10 racial points after the first 10 adds one level adjustment to the race. But in appendix 4 of the Bestiary on page 314 it indicates that the challenge rating should be the level adjustment.

I looked at the vampire in the Bestiary and figured out how many racial points it has. I calculated it to be about 200 racial points, indicating a level adjustment of 19. But it only adds 2 challenge rating, indicating a level adjustment of 2.

I know the books were written years apart and vampires probably weren't written with the racial point rules, so I expected there to be some discrepancy, but a discrepancy of 17 levels is huge.

Does anyone out there know how to reconcile this discrepancy, in whole or in part?

The guidelines provided for such things is very subjective. There is no official support for "Level Adjustment" in it's 3.5 context in Pathfinder.

Keep in mind then, that the Bestiary was written 3 years (and many rulebooks) ago. The ARG may take a different angle on such things, in an attempt to refine that aspect of the Pathfinder rules.

-Cheers


i have noticed this discrepency as well, having built the azlanti from the advanced race guide for 27 points, but they are still a great deal worse than a human with the advanced template. i guess the moral is to rely on your own judgement for cases like these.


I also noticed that the Dragon Disciple in the Core Book, looks like it usually get about 8 racial points per level in abilities. Therefore a level cannot be worth about 10 racial points since the Dragon Disciple also progresses in hit point, base attack, feats, ability scores, saves, skill points, and usually caster levels with every level. So using the dragon Disciple it looks like a level is worth more like 20 racial points.

I was hoping that the Advanced Race Guide would have clarified things more, but it looks like we will just have to use our best individual judgments until a clearer solution is presented. Not that I am trying to put down the Advanced Rage Guide. Besides that one point I think it is a great book.

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