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Some archetypes (such as a Master of Many Styles) specifically state that they grant a feat choice without needing to meet the prerequisites. I've always assumed that the character can also USE the feat so granted even when they don't have the prerequisites, correct ?
Some archetypes (such as the Dawnflower Dervish bard archetype) simply grant a feat (in this case Dervish Dance) with no mention of prerequisites. In this case, the character has the feat but can't USE it until the prerequisites are met. Since one of them is Perform(dance) 2, there is no way to use the feat until level 2, correct ?
Some archetypes (such as a Master of Many Styles) specifically state that they grant a feat choice without needing to meet the prerequisites. I've always assumed that the character can also USE the feat so granted even when they don't have the prerequisites, correct ?
Some archetypes (such as the Dawnflower Dervish bard archetype) simply grant a feat (in this case Dervish Dance) with no mention of prerequisites. In this case, the character has the feat but can't USE it until the prerequisites are met. Since one of them is Perform(dance) 2, there is no way to use the feat until level 2, correct ?
If the class grants a selection of feats then it will say if the prerequisites have to be meet (e.g. Fighter, Wizard) or can be ignored (e.g. Monk, Ranger).
When the class or ability grants a fixed feat then the feat is granted without the need of meeting the prerequisites (e.g. Tattooed Sorcerer that gains Varisian Tattoo without Spell Focus that is it's normal prerequisite, Lore Warden archetype that gains Combat Expertise at 2nd level regardless of Int score).
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I wont touch the 2nd paragraph but will the first.
Once you have the feat, you have it - with ALL the bonuses that it comes with - you don't need to wait to unlock the bonuses.
You can lose a feat benefit if you lose the prerequisites. If you have Power attack and your strength get drained so it is under 13 you lose access to power attack and all the feats with power attack as a prerequisite.
If you get the feat trough a class feature that say that you don't need to meat the requirements the levels in the class that give out the feat become the requirements for the feat and substitute the normal requirement.
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The Dawnflower Dervish bard archetype don't give the Dervish dance feat. It is only a suggested feat as it will complement the archetype abilities so it has all the normal feat requirements, including using a regular feat slot to get it.
The Dawnflower Dervish bard archetype don't give the Dervish dance feat. It is only a suggested feat as it will complement the archetype abilities so it has all the normal feat requirements, including using a regular feat slot to get it.
Assuming there is no error on d20pfsrd then it actually grants Dervish Dance feat in place of bardic knowledge feature.
The Dawnflower Dervish bard archetype don't give the Dervish dance feat. It is only a suggested feat as it will complement the archetype abilities so it has all the normal feat requirements, including using a regular feat slot to get it.
The dawnflower dervish bard archetype definitely grants the feat. It says:
A Dawnflower dervish gains the Dervish Dance feat as a bonus feat.
This ability replaces bardic knowledge.
You're probably thinking of the dawnflower dervish fighter archetype, which only suggests using Dervish Dance.
And yes, it's silly that there are two different dawnflower dervish archetypes.
Yes, I'm refering to the BARD archetype.
I have the PDF of Inner Sea Magic as required to use Dawnflower Dervish bard archetype in PFS.
Dervish Dance (Ex): A Dawnflower dervish gains the Dervish Dance feat (Inner Sea World Guide 286) as a bonus feat. This ability replaces bardic knowledge.
I also have the PDF of the Inner Sea World Guide
Dervish Dance (Combat)
You have learned to turn your speed into power, even with a heavier blade.
Prerequisites: Dexterity 13, Weapon Finesse, Perform(dance) 2 ranks, proficient with scimitar.
Benefit: When wielding a scimitar with one hand, you can use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on melee attack and damage rolls. You treat the scimitar as a one-handed piercing weapon for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a duelist’s precise strike ability). The scimitar must be for a creature of your size. You cannot use this feat if you are carrying a weapon or shield in your off hand.
My question can be rephrased as "Since there is no mention of prerequisites in the archetype granting this feat, does the feat function when the character does not meet the requirement of Weapons Finesse and/or the skill ranks in Perform(Dance)?"
As far as I know, there is NO WAY to meet the Perform(Dance) requirement at level 1, although the feat that first level characters get could be spent on Weapon Finesse to meet the Weapons Finesse requirement.
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It was stated a few times by developers, both for 3rd edition and Pathfinder that when class or race grants specific feat at specific level it grants that feat. Period. No prerequisites. Only when a class allows selecting the feat then the prerequisites matter (unless the bonus feat feature states otherwise).
Prerequisites are required to select feats, when there is no selection process then they are ignored.
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The site has made a few errors every now and then. Someone needs to check the actual text of the book.The Dawnflower Dervish bard archetype don't give the Dervish dance feat. It is only a suggested feat as it will complement the archetype abilities so it has all the normal feat requirements, including using a regular feat slot to get it.Assuming there is no error on d20pfsrd then it actually grants Dervish Dance feat in place of bardic knowledge feature.
Fun fact:
There exist the following archetypes:
Dawnflower Dervish (fighter)
Dervish Dancer (bard)
Dawnflower Dervish (bard)
Enjoy!
The site has made a few errors every now and then. Someone needs to check the actual text of the book.
The actual text of the book is the same as on D20PFSRD.