Elemental Fist Question


Rules Questions


Ok I did my best and tried looked for the answer in forum before posting but most of the questions around Elemental Fist deal with monk robes and flurry of blows. So here are my questions.

1) Is Elemental Fist a spell or spell like ability?

2) Is Elemental Fist a spiritual ki power or is it a magical effect?

3) Is it classified as "normal" when dealing with spells that treat magical and normal energy types differently.

My first inclination is it's a spiritual mani"Fist"ation and is an extraordinary power much like a Fire elemental's burning body. As such not a spell or spell like ability and not subjected to anti-magic zones, immunity to spells, or effected by dispel magic or immunity to spells. But I want to know what other people think and if my thoughts on this is reasonably inferred by the description of ability.

Grand Lodge

1) Neither, Supernatural.

2) Neither.

3) Irrelevant.


1) It would probably be more SU than SP. Its use doesn't provoke an AoO and that is typically the difference. It creates 'energy' which is typically beyond the domain of EX abilities. SU is the safe bet.
2) The rules don't really make a distinct difference between the two besides fluff, doesn't really matter.
3) Not sure where you are going with the question, context or an example of what you are asking about would probably help.


Thank you guys I found my own answer on the Pathfinder wiki under the monk of the 4 winds it is definitely a SU.

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advanced/coreClasses/monk.html

But this makes a ton of abilities of the monk vulnerable to anti magic and wild zones and spells that suppress magic. It means a Mages can cripple a lot of the monks abilities with a couple of choice spells.

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/classes/monk.html#_monk

Oh the third question came from my old time D&D experience where there were a lot of spells and items that made you immune to normal fire but reduced damage from magical fire. After a bit of research I have not come across any Pathfinder spells or Items that work that way so it is truly irrelevant.

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