| 勝20100 |
The Elemantal Knight archetype for Sulis magi (Advanced Race Guide 203) does not get Spell Recall as it is replaced by Elemental Matrix. Improved Spell Recall is not replaced by any ability of the archetype. Does it mean that a character can use the improved version, or does it mean that it can not be used at all? It looks like a mistake not to have replaced it ; maybe it was lost in editing.
| Mucronis |
don't remember where it was but if i recall correctly, for class abilities that has advanced or upgraded versions (like spell recall or a rogues sneak attack) if one is replaced with a new ability from an archetype (like a magus spell recall) when they would get the "upgraded" version they instead get the original version, in other words, a Suli magus would get spell recall at lvl 11 (think it is at 4 u get the normal, and at lvl 11 u get the improved, level 4 version is replaced by elemental matrix, and normal is granted then on level 11)
ahh, found it in Ultimate Magic, where new archetypes are given.
"If an archetype replaces a class ability that is part of a series of improvements or additions to a base ability (such as a fighter's weapon training or a ranger's favored enemy), the next time the character would gain that ability, it counts as the lower-level ability that was replaced by the archetype. In effect, all abilities in that series are delayed until the next time the class improves that ability. For example, if an archetype replaces a rogue's +2d6 sneak attack bonus at 3rd level, when she reaches 5th level and gains a sneak attack bonus, her sneak attack doesn't jump from +1d6 to +3d6—it improves to +2d6, just as if she had finally gained the increase at 3rd level. This adjustment continues for every level at which her sneak attack would improve, until at 19th level she has +9d6 instead of the +10d6 of a standard rogue."