| TheRonin |
1)Yes
2)It's only for 6 or so rounds per day at first, and just a basic utility device. I'm not really seeing how it's powerful. Handy? Sure. Powerful? >_>
Its a mass that weighs 7750 pounds. Seems like an ability that can be quite powerful with some math and imagination.
Being hit with that is a bit like being hit with a fullsized SUV full of people.
Davor
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Except you can't use it for combat purposes, as it doesn't state that it can. If you think this ability is cheesy, you're probably one of those gamers that can validate the use of the peasant railgun >_>. Not trying to be insulting, but there are powerful abilities, and then there's clearly going against the RAI and RAW to do Physics.
| Christhejust |
I see your point that it is just a couple of rounds at lvl one though. All and all I don't think it's broken or anything, heck at lvl ten you can control 20,000 cubic feet of water for 1 hour and 40 min with the control water spell, I was just afraid when I told my gm how much I could control at lvl 1 he would flip.
Davor
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Technically you can drown people in it, and they'd have to punch through your cube's wall, so there is attack potential. I just thought that was a bit much for a lvl one character to control.
How? I know you can imagine it, but you need to convey it in game mechanics in order for the ability to function the way you want it to. The ability says you can create walls, bend, and shape the water, but it also says it functions similarly to ice. Does the water continue to "flow"? Can you force the water down someone's throat? It doesn't say you can, so would that be up to the DM? Can you create a waterfall? Can you move it fast enough to cause blunt-force trauma?
In my mind, if you're asking these kinds of questions, you're missing the point of the ability.
Davor
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It says you can shape it, so shape it around someone. Now it would follow the normal drowning rules so it'd be useless in combat for the most part, but you could still do it.
But does gravity still affect the water as normal? Does it flow correctly? It says you can shape it, but how detailed can it be? You can form walls with it, but can you engulf someone in it? It says the water functions like ice, so is it cold? does it completely stop moving?
Again, I'm not really sure how you can drown someone with this ability, because you move the water as though it were a solid object.
Michael Sayre
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Christhejust wrote:It says you can shape it, so shape it around someone. Now it would follow the normal drowning rules so it'd be useless in combat for the most part, but you could still do it.But does gravity still affect the water as normal? Does it flow correctly? It says you can shape it, but how detailed can it be? You can form walls with it, but can you engulf someone in it? It says the water functions like ice, so is it cold? does it completely stop moving?
Again, I'm not really sure how you can drown someone with this ability, because you move the water as though it were a solid object.
A solid object with hardness 0 and (if I recall correctly, I'm not looking at it now) 2 HP per inch of thickness. We bumped into this issue when a player was willing to calculate the damage necessary to break out of a cube formed this way by proving the exact diameter in inches of a 5'x5'x5' cube of water in order to force someone to break free of it. We went ahead and just ruled that this ability cannot be used directly against a living creature because:
a) nothing in the ability says it canand
b) The nearest material in hardness and hp with a break DC is rope, which has a break DC of 23. This could lead to a first level ability that can effectively lock down an enemy with no save required and an impossible DC if it were allowed to be used in this manner.