Inquisitor / Cleric Stacking Domain Powers?

[setzer9999]

prd wrote:

Each domain grants a number of domain powers, depending on the level of the inquisitor. An inquisitor does not gain the bonus spells listed for each domain, nor does she gain bonus spell slots. The inquisitor uses her level as her effective cleric level when determining the power and effect of her domain powers. If the inquisitor has cleric levels, one of her two domain selections must be the same domain selected as an inquisitor. Levels of cleric and inquisitor stack for the purpose of determining domain powers and abilities, but not for bonus spells.

So, it seems clear here that an Inquisitor X/Cleric 1 would be able to have 2 domains, and that the domain that both classes for this character share would equal the total character level, not the level -1.

I do not find it clear if the domain granted only by the cleric level would be level 1 or the full character level.

For example:

An Inquisitor 7/Cleric 1 of Desna with the Luck and Liberation domains.
Luck is granted by the Inquisitor domain, and Liberation and Luck both granted by Cleric.

Does this character:

1) Have access to only the level 1 and 6 Luck domain powers calculating them at an effective cleric level of 8, and the Liberation level 1 power calculated at an effective cleric level of 1

2) Have access to both Luck domain powers and both Liberation domain powers, and all powers from both domains are calculated from an effective cleric level of 8?

[darth_gator]

I believe option 1 is correct. An inquisitor only has one domain, so all the rules governing level-stacking only apply to that single domain, Luck in this case.

[Gauss]

Option 1. Thank you for providing clear options.

- Gauss

[setzer9999]

While I would tend to agree that seems an obvious way to look at the RAI, the way it is in the RAW, it appears to be the opposite. All the raw says is "Levels of cleric and inquisitor stack for the purpose of determining domain powers and abilities, but not for bonus spells".

For the RAW to make this clearly option 1, it would need to say something like "Levels of cleric and inquisitor stack for the purpose of determining domain powers and abilities for domains granted by both classes for this character, but not for bonus spells."

Unfortunately, the RAW doesn't have this stipulation, and if you read it word for word, it literally means that option 1 is correct. Seems obviously not intended though.

I'd love to hear the devs on this, but of course one can't demand that! :)

[Gauss]

setzer9999: it only stacks for the common Domain. Yes, levels of cleric and inquisitor stack for the purpose of domain powers, but the entire concept of the paragraph is that it is stacking for the domain they have in common. You cannot take a single line out of context.

In your example: only the Luck Domain stacks. The liberation domain does not.

- Gauss

[setzer9999]

Gauss wrote:

setzer9999: it only stacks for the common Domain. Yes, levels of cleric and inquisitor stack for the purpose of domain powers, but the entire concept of the paragraph is that it is stacking for the domain they have in common. You cannot take a single line out of context.

In your example: only the Luck Domain stacks. The liberation domain does not.

- Gauss

I wouldn't run it differently than you are saying... but I CAN "take it out of "context"" because that sentence literally means that option 1 is correct. The rest of the paragraph outlines the only limitation being that they must share one of their domains and inquisitors don't get spells from domains, but it doesn't clearly show that only the shared domain stacks, and in fact, uses language that, as written, literally means the opposite.

[Gauss]

setzer9999: option 1 IS the option that does not stack liberation. I think perhaps you mistated the option and intended to say option 2. :)

If we look at individual words and not a whole sentance those individual words can have meanings very different than the entire sentance. If we look at individual sentances and not the entire paragraph the individual sentances can have meanings very different than the entire paragraph.

The sentance:

Inquisitor wrote:

Levels of cleric and inquisitor stack for the purpose of determining domain powers and abilities, but not for bonus spells.

Does not state one way or the other what domains stack. It is not a limit. The implied limit is here:

Inquisitor wrote:

The inquisitor uses her level as her effective cleric level when determining the power and effect of her domain powers.

General Pathfinder game design is that when two abilities are the same they stack. Since Luck abilities are the same, they stack. Since Liberation abilities are cleric only, they do not.

It does not need to add another sentance to make this statement. It is part of the core design of the game. Note: It would be nice if the core design of the game in this regard was explicitly stated somewhere, but it is not. However, there are numerous instances of this occuring.

- Gauss

[Seraphimpunk]

Is it just Inquisitor/Clerics that ever stack domains?

Would a Druid 1 w/ Fire domain, Cleric 1 w/ Fire domain, Inquisitor 1 w/Fire domain effectively have a character level 3 with respect to the Fire domain? or would only the Cleric and Inquisitor levels stack? so he'd have fire bolt from cleric + inquisitor, and a separate pool of fire bolts from his druid domain?

[blahpers]

Gauss wrote:

General Pathfinder game design is that when two abilities are the same they stack.

Not really. Paladin levels don't stack with cleric for the purposes of channeling, for example, for the exact reason that they aren't explicitly specified as stacking for that purpose. You get two separate channel abilities at their own caster levels with their own pools of uses.

[Deadalready]

Specifically there are multiple traits/feats for the purpose of recalculating your effective casting level or improving skills in under leveled classes, I would say domains don't use your highest level.

Especially for balance reasons.

[blahpers]

The same domain does stack, so long as the abilities all say that they stack with Cleric for the purpose in question. Different domains probably do not stack.