Greater mercy and ultimate mercy for a cleric

[Xyllen]

It is intended that a Merciful Healer (Archetype) cleric with no levels in paladin can use these two feats replacing lay of hands with channels, correct?

[Winterwalker]

No.

Merciful Healing(Su) is not the Lay On Hands(Su) class feature,

Both feats require Lay on Hands, and Mercy class features, cleric gets neither of those features with this archetype.

edit:

Though the wording does state if there is a feat that affects a paladins mercies it will apply to this Merciful Healing ability, if you don't first qualify for the feat, you can't take it to modify the ability. So short answer no, a cleric cant utilize those feats, however a cleric/paladin could qualify for the feat, and then use it on this ability as well as his/her paladin LoH and mercy ability.

So unless you find a way to get those as class features, you'd need to dip into Paladin 3 to qualify for the feats, after that it would apply to the MH ability of that archetype.

[Winterwalker]

In addition, I can't seem to think of any good reason to want those feats without the Lay on Hands ability, as both use that as a divine fuel to make use of those feats.

p.s.

there's also this nugget from James Jacobs over at http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz2u4o&page=274?Ask-James-Jacobs-ALL-your-Que stions-Here#13654

In which he answers a similar question, and pretty much says no, not the same thing. But a DM could always do whatever he feels is fun and not game breaking in the end.

[Xyllen]

as you stated the archtype states that the clerics channel(with mercy in it) is effected by feats that effect mercy and all of the mercy feats require layofhands. I was just woundering if they ment that it counted as a lay of hands for the feat as well.

[Winterwalker]

Xyllen wrote:

as you stated the archtype states that the clerics channel(with mercy in it) is effected by feats that effect mercy and all of the mercy feats require layofhands. I was just woundering if they ment that it counted as a lay of hands for the feat as well.

Even if you did give them the ability to qualify for those feats, how would he 'fuel' it without having the ability to "Lay on Hands?" It would be useless to him without having the lay on hands class feature.

[Xyllen]

the channel is the same as the "lay on hands". It looks to me to be a substatuting channel for layoh.
It also makes since for the arche type.
Taking two levels in paladin aslo nerfs the Super healer your trying to be by taking the class.