Race type selection question.


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Hi guys.

I am developing a new campaing setting that takes pkace in a different plane. One of the homebrew races that I am designing is a dragon type. My question is because that race will be native to that plane but is also a dragon, what creature type should I use, to calculate the RPs, dragon type (10rps), native outsider (3rps) or both (13rps)?


It's native in its own plane, and I think you can just add draconic immunities and other such stuff to it instead of piling up two types on it.

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King Kazma wrote:

Hi guys.

I am developing a new campaing setting that takes pkace in a different plane. One of the homebrew races that I am designing is a dragon type. My question is because that race will be native to that plane but is also a dragon, what creature type should I use, to calculate the RPs, dragon type (10rps), native outsider (3rps) or both (13rps)?

It can't technically be both, I don't think. I would probably stick with native outsider and build it from there, giving it some dragon-themed race abilities. But, if Dragon type is definitely what you're going for, use that instead. But yeah, I don't think you can technically be two types like that. You'd have to make up a new hybrid type (like half-undead and half-construct.)


Wait, the Umbral Dragon is native to the Plane of Shadow.
It has the type "Dragon (Extraplanar)", so your race might most likely be classified in the same way.


If you want room to maneuver in your design I would would go with a native outsider (3 RP) then you have 7 RP to dragon him up a bit. At 10 RPs, your race will be a highly level race almost certainly and thus less attractive to players.


Although I understand that the race will have a high RP cost I do not know how to trimm it down. Maybe you guys can give me a hand.

In my campaign the "dragonfolk" (haven't decided a name yet) are a race of honorable & virtouos warriors that originally were created by the dragons as their emissaries and champions (if needed) serve as the peacekeepers of the land.

Dragonfolk
Type: Dragon, Native Outsider 13 RP
Size: Medium 0 RP
Base Speed: Normal 0 RP
Ability Score Modifiers: Standard (+2 Str,-2 Dex,+2 Cha) 0 RP
Languages: Standard 0 RP
Racial Traits
Defense Racial Traits:
Natural armor 2 RP
Feat and Skill Racial Traits
Skill Training (Diplomacy, Sense Motive). 1 RP
Offense Racial Traits:
Breath Weapon 1 RP
Senses Racial Traits:
Darkvision. - RP
Low-light vision . - RP
Total 17 RP

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Must they be of Dragon type?


blackbloodtroll wrote:
Must they be of Dragon type?

I would prefer to, but nothing is set in stone yet...


Here is version 2 using only the Outside (Native) type:

Dragonfolk vs 2
Type: Outsider (native) 3 RP
Size: Medium 0 RP
Base Speed: Normal 0 RP
Ability Score Modifiers: Flexible (+2 Str, +2 Cha) 2 RP
Languages: Standard 0 RP
Racial Traits
Defense Racial Traits:
Natural armor 2 RP
Feat and Skill Racial Traits
Emissary 1 RP
Skill training (Diplomacy & Sense Motive) 1 RP
Offense Racial Traits:
Breath Weapon 1 RP
Increased Area 1RP
Weapon Familiarity 1 RP
Senses Racial Traits
Darkvision 60 ft. — RP
Low-light vision 1 RP
Total 13 RP


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blackbloodtroll wrote:
Must they be of Dragon type?

How could you call them Dragonfolk if they weren't?

Then again, Kobolds are draconic but they are Reptilian Humanoids...


Icyshadow wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:
Must they be of Dragon type?

How could you call them Dragonfolk if they weren't?

Then again, Kobolds are draconic but they are Reptilian Humanoids...

Hehehe that is right... thanks for catching that up Icyshadow.

I think I can either say that the name was coined by the people because they represented the dragons... or use the first version.

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King Kazma wrote:

Hi guys.

I am developing a new campaing setting that takes pkace in a different plane. One of the homebrew races that I am designing is a dragon type. My question is because that race will be native to that plane but is also a dragon, what creature type should I use, to calculate the RPs, dragon type (10rps), native outsider (3rps) or both (13rps)?

I read planescape stuff for fun.

I would actually advise using their description of what qualifies as "outsider". If you go with the default assumption in a planar game, then pretty much everyone will be an outsider.

The definition in the 3e planescape book is "is strongly tied to a specific plane - such as being made up of that plane's energy (hence no resurrection)."

If they're just planar dragon people, I'd suggest going with their classification of "Dragon (extraplanar, any other keywords)". You can also have "Human (Extraplanar)" etc. That should let you run a planar game without making all the spells go wonky.


Darkholme wrote:
King Kazma wrote:

Hi guys.

I am developing a new campaing setting that takes pkace in a different plane. One of the homebrew races that I am designing is a dragon type. My question is because that race will be native to that plane but is also a dragon, what creature type should I use, to calculate the RPs, dragon type (10rps), native outsider (3rps) or both (13rps)?

I read planescape stuff for fun.

I would actually advise using their description of what qualifies as "outsider". If you go with the default assumption in a planar game, then pretty much everyone will be an outsider.

The definition in the 3e planescape book is "is strongly tied to a specific plane - such as being made up of that plane's energy (hence no resurrection)."

If they're just planar dragon people, I'd suggest going with their classification of "Dragon (extraplanar, any other keywords)". You can also have "Human (Extraplanar)" etc. That should let you run a planar game without making all the spells go wonky.

Thanks Darkholme! I think I will go with that!


Wait a minute, I mentioned that in the Umbral Dragon example.


Icyshadow wrote:
Wait a minute, I mentioned that in the Umbral Dragon example.

You are absolute right Icyshadow. I miss understood what you meant, I thought that I had to have both types I was caught in the moment and did not read it carefully, my apologies. :(

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