Snake style seems to work when they would have missed you normally. Crane Wing mechanically negates the hit similar to how deflect arrows works.
So, when you negate a hit, by deflecting it, which causes it to miss,
it still does not count as a miss?
A miss is when you fail to hit of your own accord. That is different than a hit being deflected.
Crane Wing only activates on a hit so just by you using Crane Wing you already know it is a hit. If it were a miss then it would never activate, much like deflect arrows, and using the ride skill to negate an attack.
So, when you negate a hit, by deflecting it, which causes it to miss,
it still does not count as a miss?
If it was, you'd be using Snake Fang as Crane Riposte. They are separate feats and cover separate circumstances, so you clearly cannot. You want to hit if you deflect, take Crane Riposte. You want to hit if you are missed, take Snake Fang. Doing otherwise is like trying to argue you can use Power Attack to get the effect of Deadly Aim.
I thought you could only have one style active at a time?
There is a way to have two style active. I think the monk archtype "master of many styles" allows it.
I see the vagueness here. Personally, I'd agree that a Crane Style deflection does not constitute a miss for the purposes of Snake Style (because it otherwise would have been a hit). Also, both Crane Riposte and Snake Fang are dealing with AoOs - I'm not sure you can simultaneously take two AoOs provoked by the same action.
I see the vagueness here. Personally, I'd agree that a Crane Style deflection does not constitute a miss for the purposes of Snake Style (because it otherwise would have been a hit). Also, both Crane Riposte and Snake Fang are dealing with AoOs - I'm not sure you can simultaneously take two AoOs provoked by the same action.
You cannot take two AoO's on the same action, but you can take two AoO's from two different actions on the same person.
If you had both Crane Riposte and Snake Fang, and an attacker aimed two attacks at you, one a hit and one a miss. You could deflect the one which hit with Crane Wing and then take an AoO with Crane Riposte, and then the one that missed would invite a separate AoO from Snake Fang. Two seperate attacks, two separate actions, two separate AoO's.
The answer to me seems to depend on if you have crane riposte or not.
If you have crane riposte then it won't active snake fang because snake fang gives an AoO which crane riposte gives as well. The one action can't grant you two AoOs and therefore if you have crane riposte which grants an AoO from the deflection then you couldn't take an AoO from snake fang (and probably shouldn't want to since you'll waste the AoO opportunity from crane riposte that way).
If you don't have crane riposte then the attack is deflected... which is to say it misses you. How do we know it misses you? Because it doesn't hit you, normally it would have hit you... but normally doesn't matter because it doesn't hit in this case and something that doesn't hit is a miss. Please note that snake fang doesn't care why the attack misses; it could miss from concealment, blur, or simply not making a high enough attack roll or the attack being deflected... all it cares is that the attack was a miss. If it did hit you then you would take damage (et al) since that didn't happen we know you weren't hit (damage in this case would still have 'been taken' even if you had DR since DR negates damage and not the hit... but would prevent injury based poisons and what not of course).
I would think that in such a case a deflection is a miss (since it didn't hit) and therefore snake fang could be activated to get an AoO.
Of course I agree with dabbler's situation where on two attacks (one that would hit and one that would miss) if you had both crane riposte and snake fang you could negate the hit get an AoO and then take an AoO from the normal miss as well.
If it was, you'd be using Snake Fang as Crane Riposte. They are separate feats and cover separate circumstances, so you clearly cannot. You want to hit if you deflect, take Crane Riposte. You want to hit if you are missed, take Snake Fang. Doing otherwise is like trying to argue you can use Power Attack to get the effect of Deadly Aim.So, when you negate a hit, by deflecting it, which causes it to miss,
it still does not count as a miss?
I would agree with this interpretation, your opportunity to utilize snake style occurs 1st when you determine the attack hits or misses, the 'deflected strike deals no damage' may have been that carefully worded specifically to eliminate people trying to use one style to initiate the other.