| Odixu |
hello all, first time on these forums i was reviewing feats and i love feint.
the ability in question is Two weapon feint in UC rulebook. the quick description on page 82(5th from the bottom) describes the feat as
"Make a Bluff check instead of your first attack"
on page 106 in UC the full text says this
"Your primary weapon keeps a foe off balance, allowing you
to slip your off-hand weapon past his defenses.
Prerequisites: Dex 17, Int 13, Combat Expertise, Improved
Two-Weapon Fighting, Two-Weapon Fighting, base attack
bonus +6.
Benefit: While using Two-Weapon Fighting to make
melee attacks, you can forgo your first primary-hand melee
attack to make a Bluff check to feint an opponent. If you
successfully feint, that opponent is denied his Dexterity
bonus to AC until the end of your turn."
The brief description isn't worded weirdly; it completely contradicts the full body description. what part of that is free? do you think this may be a printing error?
which would you allow?
****enter rant****
a free bluff check means 1 extra attack when taking a full attack, and the ability to feint while taking a standard action/ability after moving. I really like this idea since it fills a niche which allows non-gimmick feint builds an option to feint and retain mobility.
furthermore it just make sense, heck hes dual wielding and making a single attack, so what else would he be doing with the other hand anyway?
i like the idea of promoting non-gimmick builds *edit* otherwise i would just roll ninja and take ki-pool hit to get a move action+ full action or something similiar
oh yeah and this is my first post so ah, good to see a thriving community, i quit thinking 4th ed killed my childhood game, its good to see everyone here keeping it alive and thriving.
Michael Sayre
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hello all, first time on these forums i was reviewing feats and i love feint.
the ability in question is Two weapon feint in UC rulebook. the quick description on page 82(5th from the bottom) describes the feat as
"Make a Bluff check instead of your first attack"
on page 106 in UC the full text says this
"Your primary weapon keeps a foe off balance, allowing you
to slip your off-hand weapon past his defenses.
Prerequisites: Dex 17, Int 13, Combat Expertise, Improved
Two-Weapon Fighting, Two-Weapon Fighting, base attack
bonus +6.
Benefit: While using Two-Weapon Fighting to make
melee attacks, you can forgo your first primary-hand melee
attack to make a Bluff check to feint an opponent. If you
successfully feint, that opponent is denied his Dexterity
bonus to AC until the end of your turn."The brief description isn't worded weirdly; it completely contradicts the full body description. what part of that is free? do you think this may be a printing error?
which would you allow?
****enter rant****
a free bluff check means 1 extra attack when taking a full attack, and the ability to feint while taking a standard action/ability after moving. I really like this idea since it fills a niche which allows non-gimmick feint builds an option to feint and retain mobility.
furthermore it just make sense, heck hes dual wielding and making a single attack, so what else would he be doing with the other hand anyway?
i like the idea of promoting non-gimmick builds *edit* otherwise i would just roll ninja and take ki-pool hit to get a move action+ full action or something similiar
oh yeah and this is my first post so ah, good to see a thriving community, i quit thinking 4th ed killed my childhood game, its good to see everyone here keeping it alive and thriving.
The brief description is just a tiny block of text meant to indicate to you what the purpose of the feat is, and is not mechanically sound in any way. The actual body of the feat is how it truly works, mechanically. This ability is intended to allow a two weapon fighter to expend his first attack in a full attack action to deny an enemy his dex bonus to AC. Even the brief description notes that this Bluff check is taken INSTEAD of your first attack. So, if you were to have only a single attack available to you (you've already moved or are suffering from some affliction affecting your available actions), you could swing with your sword, or make your bluff check, and that would pretty much be it. If you're taking a full attack, you lose your first attack at your highest base-attack bonus to make your bluff check, and then, if successful, all iterative attacks are made against an enemy now denied his DEX bonus to AC.
| Bobson |
Chemlak wrote:I must be misreading something, since I can't see the word "free" in the short text or the full text.hah, my brain made a jump and computed "since i get a bluff check instead of sacrificing an attack i get to make all my attacks thus the term "free" attack."
sorry for that.
I don't even see "instead". You do sacrifice an attack.