Touch of Corruption + Word of Healing


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Touch of Corruption

Paizo wrote:

Beginning at 2nd level, an antipaladin surrounds his hand with a fiendish flame, causing terrible wounds to open on those he touches. Each day he can use this ability a number of times equal to 1/2 his antipaladin level + his Charisma modifier. As a touch attack, an antipaladin can cause 1d6 points of damage for every two antipaladin levels he possesses. Using this ability is a standard action that does not provoke attacks of opportunity.

Alternatively, an antipaladin can use this power to heal undead creatures, restoring 1d6 hit points for every two levels the antipaladin possesses. This ability is modified by any feat, spell, or effect that specifically works with the lay on hands paladin class feature. For example, the Extra Lay On Hands feat grants an antipaladin 2 additional uses of the touch of corruption class feature.

Word of Healing
Paizo wrote:

Using the same divine energy as your lay on hands ability, you can heal others at a distance.

Prerequisite: Lay on hands class feature.

Benefit: You may use your lay on hands to heal another creature at a range of 30 feet as a standard action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity. You must be able to speak and have a free hand to use this ability. The target heals half the amount they would have healed if you had touched them, but gains the benefits of your mercies as normal.

So, as an antipaladin, I can take this feat for Touch of Corruption. Does this make it a ranged touch attack? Is it still a melee attack, but with the cost of dealing only half the damage? Does it only heal undead, therefore not working with the damaging part of Touch of Corruption?

UM came after the APG, but the writers seemed to have forgotten about how the paladin feats affect antipaladins, too. Just flipping it around to do the exact opposite thing isn't always so clear cut to me. What do you think this feat does for the antipaladin, exactly?


submit2me wrote:
What do you think this feat does for the antipaladin, exactly?

Forget the antipaladin for a second.. ask if the paladin can use this to damage undead at range. From the wording I would say no.

Thus the antipaladin could heal undead at range with this, but not damage the living.

-James


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james maissen wrote:

Forget the antipaladin for a second.. ask if the paladin can use this to damage undead at range. From the wording I would say no.

Thus the antipaladin could heal undead at range with this, but not damage the living.

-James

Forgetting antipladains, if we are focusing on just the healing aspect, then I totally agree with you. Antipaldins could then only use this feat for healing undead at range.

However, this feat affects the main use of Lay on Hands, which is healing and therefore using mercies at range as well. I would think that it would also affect the main point of Touch of Corruption, which would be harming and therefore using cruelties at range.

I am not arguing that this is the correct use of this feat. I'm just saying that it is not so easy to look at things that affect Lay on Hands and correctly interpret the opposite effect for antipaladins. I'm just looking for a consensus of what people think this feat does for antipaladins, or hopefully a FAQ or words from a developer.


submit2me wrote:


Forgetting antipladains, if we are focusing on just the healing aspect, then I totally agree with you. Antipaldins could then only use this feat for healing undead at range.

However, this feat affects the main use of Lay on Hands, which is healing and therefore using mercies at range as well. I would think that it would also affect the main point of Touch of Corruption, which would be harming and therefore using cruelties at range.

I guess I'm not on board, not that it means anything.

But I think you have to get a bit convoluted for it to work. That said, you could likely argue with your DM for something that will do this for you... but then you'd need to spell out how it would work, etc.

But as written, nope you are out of luck.

-James

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