Notice: I am NOT talking about flurry, so no need to point out you can't flurry with natural attacks. Thanks!
So, say you are an Orc Ranger with the natural weapon style. You have 2 claws and a bite as natural attacks.
You then take improved unarmed strike and two weapon fighting.
So you could, say, kick someone at full BaB -2 and make 2 claws and a bite as secondary attacks, (-5 to attack and 1/2 str to damage)
The book says that you treat your secondary natural attacks as 2 weapon fighting, so you need the Two Weapon Fighting feat to avoid massive penalties.
Or would it be 2 kicks at full BaB -2, and 2 claws and a bite as secondary attacks?
What do you think?
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Natural attacks do not interact, or use the two weapon fighting rules in any way. You suffer the same penalties to natural attacks whether you attack with one manufactured weapon(or unarmed strike), or two.
You must be using a older print of the core rulebook.
Look to the Bestiary for the legit use of natural attacks used with weapon attacks.
The book is wrong about treating secondary attacks as two-weapon fighting. That was changed awhile ago I think.
But yes, with TWF, two kicks/knees, etc. at BAB -2, and three secondary attacks. Add your favoured enemy to all of them.
Yeah, on further reflection that makes sense. I was actually thinking of going Ninja for the rest of the character career. Sneak attack plus many attacks could be awesome.
So, Ranger 2/ Ninja 6 would have a BaB of +6. With two weapon fighting and improved two weapon fighting, you would have....
2 kicks at +4, 2 kicks at -1, and 2 claws and a bite at +1? plus str mod, possibly favored enemy, and 3d6 sneak attack
I was thinking that 7 attacks would make Amulet of Mighty Fists worth it
Hmm... now the Double Slice feat lets you use your full strength mod on 'off hand attacks'
Would that apply to the secondary natural attacks as well?
Double slice does not apply to natural attacks.
You should look into the Feral Combat Training feat.
Arg! You always recommend Feral Combat Training!
Prerequisite: Improved Unarmed Strike, Weapon Focus with selected natural weapon.
Benefit: Choose one of your natural weapons. While using the selected natural weapon, you can apply the effects of feats that have Improved Unarmed Strike as a prerequisite, as well as effects that augment an unarmed strike.
Special: If you are a monk, you can use the selected natural weapon with your flurry of blows class feature.
Am I missing something here? This is not a monk, there is no stunning fist.
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Dragon Style, Weapon of Awe spell, and many other examples make this feat a boon for non-monk PCs. In fact, if you take Dragon Style, then a single level dip into Unarmed fighter to gain Dragon Ferocity, you will get x2 strength on the first attack made with the chosen natural weapon.
It is just too good for this build.
Dragon Style, Weapon of Awe spell, and many other examples make this feat a boon for non-monk PCs. In fact, if you take Dragon Style, then a single level dip into Unarmed fighter to gain Dragon Ferocity, you will get x2 strength on the first attack made with the chosen natural weapon.
It is just too good for this build.
I don't know if taking weapon focus and Feral Combat training are worth it just to improve 2 of the 7 attacks in this build.
Yeah, Dragon Style might be worth it.
Not weapon focus (claw) and Feral Combat Training (claw)
Dragon style only gives the 1 and 1/2 bonus on the first unarmed strike, that is the only one that would gain the -1 to +3 for power attack.
Also, the claws and bite are secondary if you use other attacks, so would not benefit as power attack specifies a primary natural attack gets the better ratio.
The second dragon feat gives a bonus on damage equal to half your str bonus, which is not the same thing.
I don't plan on power attack anyway, not without a full BaB. That is why I was thinking sneak attack.
Still, the unarmed fighter with dragon style isn't a bad option.
Also, I am making a kitsune character for society, so I might do this as a finesse build. Haven't decided
Yeah, this is gonna be a society character though. Never gonna get the base attack up high enough
And I said I planned to go Ninja.
Meh, well now that I know there are going to be options for the Kitsune in Advanced Races, nothing is going to be final until I read it