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Hi there, My Amulet of Mighty Fists currently is a Furious Amulet of Mighty Fists. This allows me, when raging to treat my Natural attacks as +2 higher for their enhancement bonus (0+2=2) If I have a wand of Magic Fang, and I cast it on me will that stack with my amulet while I am raging. Thank you in advance.
Two things:
This ability can only be placed on a melee weapon.
The weapon enhancement specifically restricts it, so I believe you cannot place it on an amulet, despite the fact that an Amulet of Mighty Fists can allow most weapon enhancements.
When the wielder is raging or under the effect of a rage spell, the weapon’s enhancement bonus is +2 better than normal.
It's an enhancement bonus, so it does not stack with Magic Fang anyway.
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Two things:
This ability can only be placed on a melee weapon.The weapon enhancement specifically restricts it, so I believe you cannot place it on an amulet, despite the fact that an Amulet of Mighty Fists can allow most weapon enhancements.
My VC suggested it to me as an option for my PFS Character, I can't envision a natural weapon that is not a melee weapon and if one exists I would imagine that the property would not function on that natural attack. Additionally Herolab doesn't seem to have a problem with it, for what that's worth.
When the wielder is raging or under the effect of a rage spell, the weapon’s enhancement bonus is +2 better than normal.It's an enhancement bonus, so it does not stack with Magic Fang anyway.
That's the thing though it states that it works as +2 Better than normal, which leads me to believe that it should stack. The enhancement bonus right now is 0 because the attacks are not magical, but when magic fang is active it is +1. Furious Increases Enhancement bonuses, effectively it is a property that indeed stacks (minimally) enhancement bonuses. If the property was flaming there would be no trouble with it being +1(magic Fang) and flaming (amulet)
My VC suggested it to me as an option for my PFS Character, I can't envision a natural weapon that is not a melee weapon and if one exists I would imagine that the property would not function on that natural attack. Additionally Herolab doesn't seem to have a problem with it, for what that's worth.Two things:
This ability can only be placed on a melee weapon.The weapon enhancement specifically restricts it, so I believe you cannot place it on an amulet, despite the fact that an Amulet of Mighty Fists can allow most weapon enhancements.
Just in case this is becoming a real concern for you, per the SRD, under unarmed strike for the monk:
A monk's unarmed strike is treated as both a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon for the purpose of spells and effects that enhance or improve either manufactured weapons or natural weapons.
It shouldn't stack if only just for the fact that it would be too cheap for the benefits it brings, you can feel it is not right don't you ?
enhancement bonus should not stack, the +2 better than normal means the bonus inherent to the magical weapon, it is effectively a +2 weapon when you are raging and does not stack with a GMW spell, I'd consider increasing the bonus on the amulet so you can penetrate cold iron and silver DR though.
My VC suggested it to me as an option for my PFS Character, I can't envision a natural weapon that is not a melee weapon and if one exists I would imagine that the property would not function on that natural attack.
Hmm, you're viewing this in a way I wasn't picturing. Interesting.
You see, I never once viewed placing a magical weapon property on Amulet of Mighty Fists as the same as placing a magical weapon property on a weapon.
Alternatively, this amulet can grant melee weapon special abilities, so long as they can be applied to unarmed attacks.
When looking at the description, I'd say you are correct. You CAN use Furious "so long as they can be applied to unarmed attacks".
That's the thing though it states that it works as +2 Better than normal, which leads me to believe that it should stack.
I would view the "normal" here as not including a buff with a duration. The "normal" is 0. Essentially, though Furious increases the enhancement bonus of a weapon, this coincides as one source. Magic Fang is a separate source and does not stack, and it is not the target of the Furious bonus.
Two things:
This ability can only be placed on a melee weapon.The weapon enhancement specifically restricts it, so I believe you cannot place it on an amulet, despite the fact that an Amulet of Mighty Fists can allow most weapon enhancements.My VC suggested it to me as an option for my PFS Character, I can't envision a natural weapon that is not a melee weapon and if one exists I would imagine that the property would not function on that natural attack. Additionally Herolab doesn't seem to have a problem with it, for what that's worth.
That's the thing though it states that it works as +2 Better than normal, which leads me to believe that it should stack. The enhancement bonus right now is 0 because the attacks are not magical, but when magic fang is active it is +1. Furious Increases Enhancement bonuses, effectively it is a property that indeed stacks (minimally) enhancement bonuses. If the property was flaming there would be no trouble with it being +1(magic Fang) and flaming (amulet)
When the wielder is raging or under the effect of a rage spell, the weapon’s enhancement bonus is +2 better than normal.It's an enhancement bonus, so it does not stack with Magic Fang anyway.
The problem with your logic is that magic fang doesn't stack with the amulet's enhancement bonus normally, so it doesn't stack with it's increased bonus.
Specifically:
Basically, furious increases the amulet's bonus. So it goes from being +0 to being +2. That makes it more powerful than magic fang, and thus overrides it. But when it's off, magic fang is more powerful, and overrides the +0 from the amulet.
It's like a situation where a +1 furious longsword gets greater magic weapon casted on it.
The +1 and furious enchantment = +3 enhancement bonus for the weapon while raging, and the greater magic weapon spell provides another enhancement bonus, which doesn't stack as the spell's enhancement bonus isn't the one being affected by furious, but the weapon itself.