Dazing Assault Feat / Stunning Assault Feat questions


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I have a few questions about how these feats work. I have reviewed a few other messages and there seems to be a difference in opinions on how the feats work. I was wondering if there has been any official confirmation, or if RAW is clearer that how I seem to be interpreting it:

APG wrote:
Dazing Assault: You can choose to take a –5 penalty on all melee attack rolls and combat maneuver checks to daze opponents you hit with your melee attacks for 1 round, in addition to the normal damage dealt by the attack. A successful Fortitude save negates the effect. The DC of this save is 10 + your base attack bonus. You must choose to use this feat before making the attack roll, and its effects last until your next turn.

1. Does the fort save apply to every attack, or just at the end of the round?

2. If the fort save applies to every attack, is the fort save based on the BAB of each iteritive attack? (i.e. If I hit with my +11 and my +6 BAB attacks, then are the fort saves based on the +11 and +6, or only the +11 for both hits?

On a general note, I am surpised that Dazing Assault is not a pre-requisite for Stunning Assault.


Dazing is better than stunning to many people. There are some creatures immune to stunning. I have yet to find anything immune to being dazed.

This debate came up before with no official answer. It does say "to daze opponents you hit with your melee attacks", and after some monsters force multiple save a round so I am thinking it is not an accident.

Your BAB changes with each attack, or at least the BAB used anyway so I would think that each attack is easier to save against, otherwise it would say your highest BAB or something similar.


Each attack.

And it's poorly worded, but it should be your full BAB each time.

The best use of the feats is with AoOs, which are all at highest BAB, anyway, though.

And I'm glad they're not pre-reqs. Feats have too many pre-reqs as it is. It's awesome that a Fighter at 16 can say, "you know what? now that I can get stunning assault, I don't need dazing assault anymore. Swap!"


I agree that the intent is the full BAB, but the wording is not on my side.

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