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How does one gain a Rend Special Attack? I ask because in UC there is a set of feats for improving one's rend damage, but after significant research I can find no way of obtaining Rend.

My first thought was the feat Rending claws, sounds promising and provides some precision damage in a form that works very similarly to rend, but alas nowhere in this feat does it refer to this damage as a rend special ability.

My second thought was of a Druid, who could wild shape to gain rend, but that same druid does not have rend all the time and therefore cannot take the feat because he does not meet the prerequisites <much the same way that he could not take power attack if he had a str of 12 even though he uses bull's strength all the time.

So I ask. How does one obtain a rend?


The feat Two-Weapon Rend out of the CRB is one way I imagine. Monsters also have a Universal Monster Rule rend ability. There are probably other ways, but TWR is one of the more common ways for PCs as far as I know. Good luck!

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Ok Granted that will allow it, but if that were the exclusive way to get it, then why do these feats for improving rend have a prerequisite of a Base attack bonus of 6? or 9. The base attack requirement for Two Weapon Rend is +11


Eidolons can get rend


There are plenty of monsters who can take those feats if the GM wants to create something special for the party.

Nothing worse than a troll barbarian to begin with but make his rend even more powerful and now you really gotta watch getting hit with a pair of claws.

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But again if the feats are intended for monsters, what are they doing in Ultimate Combat? I put forth that they are intended to pair with rending claws. because claws are achieved through any number of feats/classes including rage powers, bloodline powers, and natural weapon style combat.


??? Why do the feats in any book have to be exclusive property of the PC's. Does anyone really want to have "The Book of Monstrous feats" published. I mean really its a book about combat, and guess what monsters get into combat too. The final embrace feat line is pretty much monster only it's also in UC.

For some reason I can't fathom there is a subset of players who assume that once something becomes a feat they have to be able to qualify for it.

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Talonhawke wrote:

??? Why do the feats in any book have to be exclusive property of the PC's. Does anyone really want to have "The Book of Monstrous feats" published. I mean really its a book about combat, and guess what monsters get into combat too. The final embrace feat line is pretty much monster only it's also in UC.

For some reason I can't fathom there is a subset of players who assume that once something becomes a feat they have to be able to qualify for it.

Wouldn't you expect monsteresque feats to be found mostly in the bestiaries? we have 3 now. IF these feats were meant for monsters it seems a more natural place to have them.


Altus, there is already a problem with the misperception that people cannot take feats out of the bestiary. Why increase the number of feats that get houseruled as banned?

Frankly, no feats should be in the bestiary because there are no feats there that cannot also be taken by players.

- Gauss


Found this for you:
Sean K Reynolds

Thus, druids CAN qualify for those rending feats at BAB6 if they can wildshape into something that has rend. - Gauss

Edit: Read through to the bottom of the second page as he continues to revise his statements. At the bottom of the second page he indicates that if you can achieve the abilities temporarily then you can qualify for the feat. Specifically he illustrated the Alchemist with Feral Mutagen taking Weapon Focus (claws) is legal.


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IMHO if Two-Weapon Rend works for the Rending Fury line of feats then the same holds true for Rending Claws.

While we may have 3 (soon to be 4) Beastiaries there is no reason that any character can't take a feat that they qualify for.

In addition they printed the Rending Fury line of feats in UC. Two-Weapon Rend came out in CRB and Rending Claws was in the APG. To boot there's the collected Feat Index on the PRD. Stop complaining about how they arrange things as they come out, and start being a little more proactive in looking for the material yourself.

In addition, your GM has the ability to make his own rulings and decisions. Paizo can't be expected to think of everything that can/might happen, or player may/do want to do. RPG's are ultimately limited only by your imagination.


Unarmed strikes and boar style might work. That deals 2d6 of bleed damage when you get off 2 attacks, and having unarmed strikes deal slashing damage is an easy way of making "claws" that have a lot less problems than actual claws. You still have the option of Two weapon rend on top of that.

An interesting fact from the FAQs about unarmed strikes is that they count as a single weapon for spells, but can be used with TWF. I like the idea of a ranger build with this idea, since you can cast Greater Magical Fang to get a decent bonus to hit for long periods of time with this since it is only enhancing 'one' weapon. Obviously, you still want an AoMF for getting around DR, but this handles everything else.

If you want to go really silly, you could take a single dip into monk and then druid the rest of the way. Go Kung-fu panda on those fools.

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