Possible Dips for a Level 4 Paladin


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I'm currently playing a level 4 paladin (Undead Scourge/Warrior of the Holy Light), and I'm considering dipping into fighter or another class. Can anyone recommend any multi-class options that would work well with the paladin build?


What's your build like so far? (feats, scores etc.)


Ranger might work, if you're focusing purely in undead because of the campaign then favored enemy undead could synergize with the existing bonuses. Or if you find that being weak against evil outsiders is not helpful, this could be a bit of a help there. It would also let you use wands of clw, if that might help.


My feats so far are Two-Weapon Fighting, Improved Shield Bash, and Double Slice, a very Sword and board build. His ability scores are Str 15, Dex 15, Con 13, Int 8, Wis 12, Cha 16.


Oracle of Lore is very nice if you have good Cha. It gives you charisma to AC, and charisma to reflex saves a second time. Potentially also gets you charisme to knowledge checks.


Okie dokie I'm thinking two levels of Cavalier (gendarme) for ORder of the Star.

You can use these two levels to gain the following.

Power Attack as a Bonus feat.
Challenge for 2 extra damage and +1 saves while you threaten.
+1 bonus to Know Religion (outside of ranks)

Order ability that gives you your charisma modifier as a bonus to one of four checks (skill, attack, ability, and saving throw) usable once each day per check.

+1 level of paladin for determining lay on hands.

Overall a win for you. You also get a free taxi to run around in which you can count full levels as if you ever take Cavalier to 4th level.

Grand Lodge

The guide ranger will work well with this build.

Liberty's Edge

Personally, I'd just stick with Paladin. You get Divine Bond at 5th, which is actually pretty cool, one way or another.

That said, a couple of levels of Ranger could be pretty cool, too. Though for Feats and class skills galore, two levels of Lore Warden Fighter actually grant three Feats (including Combat Expertise which, lookng at it, you appear to get even with Int less than 13) and all Int based skills as Class.


Wow, lots of options. I'm going to have to really think about this. I like TarkXT's cavalier idea; I can see how that would work well since my paladin has been doing a lot of charging on horse. The ranger idea is nice too though.

I also should have mentioned probably that I'm playing this character in a Carrion Crown campaign, so we're fighting undead almost exclusively.

Liberty's Edge

Deleon wrote:
Wow, lots of options. I'm going to have to really think about this. I like TarkXT's cavalier idea; I can see how that would work well since my paladin has been doing a lot of charging on horse. The ranger idea is nice too though.

I'd really stick with Paladin one more level then. With Divine Bond (Mount) you get a 5th level companion instead of a 1st level one, and otherwise be more effective. You could dip for 6th and 7th levels then, if you wished.

Deleon wrote:
I also should have mentioned probably that I'm playing this character in a Carrion Crown campaign, so we're fighting undead almost exclusively.

I'd...really not dip anything then. Stick with Paladin.


Deadmanwalking wrote:
Deleon wrote:
Wow, lots of options. I'm going to have to really think about this. I like TarkXT's cavalier idea; I can see how that would work well since my paladin has been doing a lot of charging on horse. The ranger idea is nice too though.

I'd really stick with Paladin one more level then. With Divine Bond (Mount) you get a 5th level companion instead of a 1st level one, and otherwise be more effective. You could dip for 6th and 7th levels then, if you wished.

Deleon wrote:
I also should have mentioned probably that I'm playing this character in a Carrion Crown campaign, so we're fighting undead almost exclusively.
I'd...really not dip anything then. Stick with Paladin.

+1


OK, it's unanimous then. I'm sticking with paladin for at least one more level. =)

(We really do need a +1 option on this board, don't we?)


You asked for opinions and got them. I don't see the problem if it's +1 or a long post were I go into detail on why you should stick to the Paladin.

Next time you want advice on a character you should offer more info.

A) Post what kind of build you have, Stats, feats, traits, skills and how you play him/her.
B) what rules does your GM/DM use. Does he/she use traits or any house rules. What books are fine in your campaign.
C) Do you use 15 PB, 20 PB or do you roll.
D) what kind of campaign are you playing. How long will it run and at what level are you starting/playing. Is it undead heavy, is it a investigation/ puzzle kind of adventure, is it just plain old hack and slash, is it something more odd like kingmaker or is it based in a city, etc, etc.
E) what you want with your character and why. In this case, why do you want to multiclass.
F) The other characters in the group. Races, Classes, roles?

You wanted advice. Your OP is just two lines and you still got some good advice. One of them was stick to Paladin. I agree on that advice. Stick to Paladin.
5th you get divine bond, more spells, more caster level and channel is now 3d6, etc
6 level: LoH 3d6 and the pool increases, new Mercy, a boost to all saves, more caster level, etc
7th, one more smite evil, 2nd level spells channel is now 4d6, more caster level, etc

The Paladin just gets better and better. It's a class with very good spells, and smite evil and LoH rocks.

If you want to multiclass you can pick anything really, even Bard or Oracle. Me I love bards, but Oracle or cleric might be good. Even Inquisitor might an option.

If you're BAB is a factor I'd probably pick Ranger. You get the ranger spell list (for wands), some good skills, lot of skills, favored enemy, a bonus feat at level 2 and a boost to your reflex saves. Guide archetype is nice, but any ranger will do. Favored enemy can give you some good role playing flavor, be it if you choose undead, evil outsider or human or whatever.

Cavalier (gendarme) for Order of the Star also sounds good.

Lore Warden Fighter might be good if feats is what you want, but I wouldn't pick Lore Warden Fighter. I think it is a bit pit boring flavor wise, but it is powerful if feat is what you want and they get 4 skills per level. I'm not sure all GMs will approve of the Lore Warden since it's not part of the 4 core books. So talk with your GM.

Giving multiclass advice is hard since you don't offer any good information what you want to multiclass or what you want to get out of it.

Last piece of advice. If you ask for advice and people give you advice, be it only a "+1", replying with sarcastic remarks will cut down your chances on getting advice, in this thread or in any future thread. True "+1" is a very short answer, but it gets the job done. Also, If you want a more fleshed out answers, you could try posting a more fleshed out OP.

To sum it up.
Stick to Paladin, if not:
1) Ranger
2) Cavalier (gendarme) for Order of the Star or Bard or Cleric
3) Oracle, Inquisitor or Lore Warden Fighter.


depend on your stats. If Cha is high - dip a level of Oracle of Lore, syntesist is ever broken - and in time will give you more attacks, stupid amount of nat armor and - well be broken. And in a few levels have better ability scores than your paladin.

Again if you have a high AC 2 levels of ninja will give you cha to Ki pool - could be used for extra attacks.

Or just stick with paladin...


One level of monk and you can take the Crusader's Flurry feat (that is assuming you have weapon focus with your deity's favoured weapon). Flurry of Blows with your deity's favoured melee weapon can be pretty good.

...Of course how well that works depends on who your deity is, and what their favoured weapon is. My group had a Paladin/Monk of Shelyn, and flurry with a glaive is awesome. If you opted to be a Paladin of say... Abadar, Erastil, or Irori, then it's not so useful.

Lantern Lodge

I was going to say inquisitor, but then I saw your WIS.


I'd say stick with Paladin until at least 5 so you get your mount. If you MUST dip then either cavalier or Cleric seem the best choices?
Cleric for a touch of casting/healing/undead killing or Cavalier (Order of the Shield) for your martial pursuits.

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