There are still 2 problematic entries in the summoning tables, please press FAQ


Rules Questions

Liberty's Edge

32 people marked this as FAQ candidate. Answered in the FAQ.
James Jacobs wrote:
Diego Rossi wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

Ugh... while we tried our best to make sure the Summon Monster lists were accurate, there is obviously some errors.

Errata is:

Change Giant Lizard to Monitor Lizard. (The lists don't support summoning a giant frilled lizard, but you could probably add them to summon monster V or summon nature's ally V.)

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Change Ant, soldier to Ant, giant.

The majority of these errors, I suspect, came from miscommunication between what was and wasn't changing with these animals in the switchover between the 3.5 Monster Manual and the Pathfinder Bestiary.

A few other notes:

The Giant Frilled Lizard is so much tougher than a bison or an ape because it's something that probably would HUNT bisons or apes. It'd be best to compare the giant frilled lizard ecologically wise to a tiger or bear; it's a top-tier predator.

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Hello James, I was preparing the sheets for for the creatures called by Summoning III and noticed that these two entries are still unchanged in the 5th edition. I have FAQed your old (2009) post, but maybe you could remember this to the appropriate person.

(I know it is not your job, but I am not sure FAQing a 2009 post will do much)

I would repost that to a new thread on the rules forum then and re-hit the FAQ button. I'm pretty sure that one slipped by multiple times. I'll try to re-send that bit of errata to the design team as well, but it absolutely can not hurt to have multiple fronts!

As James suggested I am opening a new thread on this topic. Please hit FAQ or comment if you feel that there are other problematic entries.


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Something else I'd like to see fixed. Summon Monster I gives you a Riding Dog (and a celestial/fiendish one, at that!). Summon Nature's Ally I gives you a regular dog.

Why is Summon Monster better at summoning animals?

Please either buff SNA I or nerf SM I.

Liberty's Edge

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I thought it had been corrected in both version of the spell and failed to check the moster summoning I so I had removed it from the original post.

James Jacobs wrote:


Change Riding Dog to Dog.

the original post is here.

Edit: as Gauss pointed out, it is a problem of the PRD, not of the CRB


Hmmm, my Core Rulebook 5th printing does not have Riding Dog in SM1. - Gauss


StreamOfTheSky wrote:

Something else I'd like to see fixed. Summon Monster I gives you a Riding Dog (and a celestial/fiendish one, at that!). Summon Nature's Ally I gives you a regular dog.

Why is Summon Monster better at summoning animals?

Please either buff SNA I or nerf SM I.

...because dogs are so naturally suited to being ridden?

While I can see your point (ish) a natural animal, such as provided by Summon Nature's Ally, is really not a good prospect for having intensive, domesticated training routines, regardless of how much 'better' (really?) it is/is not by virtue of having said training...

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