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First off can one be made to grant this fly skill to get it for all levels you ahve hit dice in the fly skill? What happens if someone who cannot fly wears one?
Yes, you could make such a headband. I had thought it was limited to INT skills, but I can't find that rule. I might have imagined it.
If someone without the Fly skill wore one, it would simply give them ranks in Fly equal to their Hit Dice. This would not be of much value without the ability to fly, but they would still have the ranks. Take it is the headband magically granting the theoretical knowledge of how to fly, should one ever get the opportunity to do so.
in fact this is the best way for Int based casters to grab ranks in fly once they pick up the spell
What happens if someone who cannot fly wears one?
Edit: Just goes to show how many times I've invested in the Fly skill.
What happens if someone who cannot fly wears one?The exact same thing as someone who puts ranks in Fly. Anyone can put ranks in the skill, regardless of whether they have the ability to fly or not. The item just gives the skills regardless of training.
Actually…
You cannot take ranks in this skill without a natural means of flight or gliding. Creatures can also take ranks in Fly if they possess a reliable means of flying every day (either through a spell or other special ability).
And also
Note that this skill does not give you the ability to fly.
You do not gain the ability fly simply by having ranks in Fly. It simply gives you increased skill when you are flying.
It's much like an owl familiar who gains ranks in Craft (armorsmithing) equal to what its master has. Theoretically, it is very skilled at crafting armor. However, lacks the ability to actually do so.
I believe you have to be able to fly on a regular basis to put ranks in the skill and the fly spell isn't enough - has to be wild shape, overland flight or something similar, according to a dev iirc. A headband gets around that.
I believe you have to be able to fly on a regular basis to put ranks in the skill and the fly spell isn't enough - has to be wild shape, overland flight or something similar, according to a dev iirc.
This is not true. It may habve been true of 3.5 but it is not true in Pathfinder...
You cannot take ranks in this skill without a natural means of flight or gliding. Creatures can also take ranks in Fly if they possess a reliable means of flying every day (either through a spell or other special ability).
Posters, please try to be dilligent to ensure you're referring to PF specific rules. There is a fair amount of edition bleed in the forums.
Uhm , thats excactly what i said?
Uhm , thats excactly what i said?
The fly skill is enough, hence the quote.
I think I remember someone saying fly was not in 3.5 before.. I just don't know much about it.
Uhm , thats excactly what i said?The fly skill is enough, hence the quote.
I think I remember someone saying fly was not in 3.5 before.. I just don't know much about it.
I wrote i believe a dev has stated that the fly spell isn't enough (due to short duration). Not that its in the core book. It might have been JJ. I'm on a phone so can't link.
I wrote i believe a dev has stated that the fly spell isn't enough (due to short duration). Not that its in the core book. It might have been JJ. I'm on a phone so can't link.
Developer rulings mean absolutely nothing. If its not in a printed book, or in an errata file, its not a rule. Developer rulings are merely "This is how I would do it". By the rules, any method of flying (as long as you can do it every day)is enough to learn the Fly skill, regardless of its duration.
By the rules, any method of flying (as long as you can do it every day)is enough to learn the Fly skill, regardless of its duration.
I wrote i believe a dev has stated that the fly spell isn't enough (due to short duration). Not that its in the core book. It might have been JJ. I'm on a phone so can't link.
Also, it would be pretty silly not to allow putting ranks in the Fly skill through the Fly spell, considering that both Sorcerers and Wizards have it as a class skill.
I know the current conversation has nothing to do with my question.
Also, it would be pretty silly not to allow putting ranks in the Fly skill through the Fly spell, considering that both Sorcerers and Wizards have it as a class skill.By the rules, any method of flying (as long as you can do it every day)is enough to learn the Fly skill, regardless of its duration.
I wrote i believe a dev has stated that the fly spell isn't enough (due to short duration). Not that its in the core book. It might have been JJ. I'm on a phone so can't link.What does this have to do with the OP's question?
The headband is granting the ranks, the wearer is not learning the skill.
-James
Because I was continuing the discussion on whether having the Fly spell was enough of a qualifier to have ranks in the Fly skill?
But I’ll make it more clear for you, I realize the headband gives the ranks, but my point was Sorcerers and Wizards wouldn’t have received the Fly skill as a class skill if the Fly spell was not a good enough qualifier.
First off can one be made to grant this fly skill to get it for all levels you ahve hit dice in the fly skill? What happens if someone who cannot fly wears one?
The headband can grant ranks in fly, we have established this already.
If someone who can't fly wears a headband with fly skill attached to it, they still can't fly so they have ranks in a skill they cannot add more ranks to (if they wanted to).
The skill would remain non functional until they fly somehow, then activate as normal.
What happens if someone who cannot fly wears one?
-They know HOW to fly they just can't, the same way as Beckem with two broken legs knows HOW to play soccer but CAN"T.
The spell ought to be enough. When that dev (Jason? I forget) posted that, even SKR was a bit in "WTF" land. There's really no point in not letting someone take ranks in Fly whether they can fly or not, much less whether their flight is always available.
RAW is vague but leans toward the "fly spell is enough" side, so do what thou wilt.