The 'statue' spell and targeting


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Liberty's Edge

Is a creature who is in statue form from the statue spell still a creature for the purposes of spells? The statue spell says they're turned to solid stone, but are they still a creature? Could they be targeted by...

Magic Missile?
Hold Person?
Slow?
Fear?
Stone to Flesh?
Flesh to Stone?

Would they be affected by Slay Living?

I mean, aside from retaining their own hit points, are they totally a statue? Or do spells that require targeting a creature (or spells that only affect creatures) still work against them?

Grand Lodge

According to the RAW yes they are alive, as the spell does not specifically state that their type has changed or that they have become an object. Statue is a transmutation spell in which you do not change the creatures type but instead give them many of the qualities of a statue while still aware and alive.

As far as Stone to Flesh is concerned it does nothing, the creature has not been petrified (if they had been they would be considered unconscious and Statue specifically states that they are aware of their surrounding in Statue form. You could make a house rule however, it makes sense.


how about stone to mud or shape stone?


Jorda75 wrote:

According to the RAW yes they are alive, as the spell does not specifically state that their type has changed or that they have become an object. Statue is a transmutation spell in which you do not change the creatures type but instead give them many of the qualities of a statue while still aware and alive.

As far as Stone to Flesh is concerned it does nothing, the creature has not been petrified (if they had been they would be considered unconscious and Statue specifically states that they are aware of their surrounding in Statue form. You could make a house rule however, it makes sense.

According to RAW, the statue can also move and even swim as the spell doesn't mention any restrictions on movement, or any change in weight. Obviously, this flies in the face of common sense, so I feel a closer look at the spell is warranted.

Mechanically, it would appear that all the spell does is:

Subject gets hardness 8
Subject does not need to eat or breathe

The rest of the spell text could be dismissed as fluff it's true, but that leads to illogical results, like a dancing, swimming statue.

In my opinion, the better view is that in addition to the aforementioned mechanical effects, the spell actually turns the target into a statue. As such the target should be treated as an object for the purpose of other effects

Note that the spell is not a polymorph spell, so it doesn't follow those rules regarding whether the subject changes types or not. Note also that there's no such thing as Creature Type: Object; an object is not a creature.

Finally, it should be noted that only objects have hardness. No creatures do. Not even constructs.

Really, in order to make sense of the hardness 8 thing, you have to treat the character as a solid stone object. It's implied pretty strongly by the spell.

Quote:
A statue spell turns the subject to solid stone, along with any garments and equipment worn or carried. In statue form, the subject gains hardness 8. The subject retains its own hit points. The subject can see, hear, and smell normally, but it does not need to eat or breathe. Feeling is limited to those sensations that can affect the granite-hard substance of the individual's body. Chipping is equal to a mere scratch, but breaking off one of the statue's arms constitutes serious damage. The subject of a statue spell can return to its normal state, act, and then return instantly to the statue state (a free action) if it so desires as long as the spell duration is in effect.


fictionfan wrote:
how about stone to mud or shape stone?

The way I'd do it? Give 'em a saving throw. Failure = massive damage! Yes, I'm evil. Actually, I'd probably let them change shape reactively if they succeed on a spellcraft check to recognize what's being cast.


Animated Objects are creatures with hardness, I'd pretty much treat it as both a creature and (attended) object.

Stone to mud, in my campaign, will have an effect similar to a disintegrate spell in terms of damage and dispel the magic if the subject survives, unless someone can come up with a better option.


Remco Sommeling wrote:

Animated Objects are creatures with hardness, I'd pretty much treat it as both a creature and (attended) object.

Stone to mud, in my campaign, will have an effect similar to a disintegrate spell in terms of damage and dispel the magic if the subject survives, unless someone can come up with a better option.

Well I'll be darned. I suppose I'll have to rephrase that: "No non objects have hardness"

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