I have a question about the invulnarable rager:
If a IR above 2nd level (so he has DR) who has guarded life is reduced to below 0 hp by an attack, how does guarded life interact with his DR that is doubled against non-lethal damage.
For exable he is 4th level (DR2/- or DR4/- vs non-lethal) would be reduced to -2 by an attack.
By guarded life 4 points of lethal damage would be converted to non-lethal. What happens now? Does the DR reduce this damage as the DR vs non-lethal is higher thn the normal DR?
And would it reduce the damage by 2 or by 4 or not at all?
The damage only gets applied to DR once. So the damage is not reduced further by your DR. Example:
You take damage (say 12 points of lethal). DR 2/- reduces that to 10 points of lethal. That drops you down to -4. Guarded life kicks in and converts 4 points of damage to non-lethal. In the end you have taken 6 points of lethal damage and 4 points of non-lethal damage and are unconscious (non-lethal damage is greater than current hit points (0)) but stable and not bleeding out.
So the fact that the DR vs non-lethal is double the normal DR is irrelevant to guarded life?
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My take:
Lethal damage and non-lethal damage are calculated separately. Both Drs apply.
EXAMPLE:
4th level Invulnerable Rager (DR2/- and DR4/- vs non-lethal)
He is currently at 1 hp. An Orc hits him for 9 damage.
2 points are reduced by the DR2/-
Because he is reduced below 0, 4 points are converted to non-lethal damage.
These 4 points are negated by the DR4/- vs non-lethal.
RESULT: The barbarian takes 3 damage and immediately stabilizes.
EDIT: Or maybe not. Lab_rat's way of doing things makes a lot of sense. Anyone else want to weigh in on this?
And a totaly different question: can a barbarian fight defensively during rage?
And could he use crane style while doing so?
Would the answer be different for a serene barbarian?
And a totaly different question: can a barbarian fight defensively during rage?
And could he use crane style while doing so?Would the answer be different for a serene barbarian?
Yes. Yes. No.
My take:
Lethal damage and non-lethal damage are calculated separately. Both Drs apply.
EXAMPLE:
4th level Invulnerable Rager (DR2/- and DR4/- vs non-lethal)
He is currently at 1 hp. An Orc hits him for 9 damage.
2 points are reduced by the DR2/-
Because he is reduced below 0, 4 points are converted to non-lethal damage.
These 4 points are negated by the DR4/- vs non-lethal.
RESULT: The barbarian takes 3 damage and immediately stabilizes.EDIT: Or maybe not. Lab_rat's way of doing things makes a lot of sense. Anyone else want to weigh in on this?
My reasoning is that the "Non-lethal damage" has already been reduced by the barbarians DR already...when it was lethal. I know of no rule that lets you apply DR to the same damage twice.
I would love to hear other opinions too. This has been a question in the forums for quite a while. We juggled with it when the invulnerable rager thread was producing the build for AM Barbarian.
My guess would have been:
As the IR in the above example has already applied 2 points of damage to the lethal damage the unused second half of the DR4/- vs non-lethal would apply, reducing the non-lethal by 2 points.
My take:
Lethal damage and non-lethal damage are calculated separately. Both Drs apply.
EXAMPLE:
4th level Invulnerable Rager (DR2/- and DR4/- vs non-lethal)
He is currently at 1 hp. An Orc hits him for 9 damage.
2 points are reduced by the DR2/-
Because he is reduced below 0, 4 points are converted to non-lethal damage.
These 4 points are negated by the DR4/- vs non-lethal.
RESULT: The barbarian takes 3 damage and immediately stabilizes.EDIT: Or maybe not. Lab_rat's way of doing things makes a lot of sense. Anyone else want to weigh in on this?
My reasoning is that the "Non-lethal damage" has already been reduced by the barbarians DR already...when it was lethal. I know of no rule that lets you apply DR to the same damage twice.
I would love to hear other opinions too. This has been a question in the forums for quite a while. We juggled with it when the invulnerable rager thread was producing the build for AM Barbarian.
I got the concept that they should be calculated separately from the somewhat analogous thing about healing spells doing double duty against lethal and non-lethal.
However, I realize that's a pretty convoluted / backdoor kind of reasoning.
I'm inclined to disagree with my earlier post now, actually.