Force Push


Rules Questions


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Greetings,

When a creature is pushed several squares by this spell, does it provoke attacks of opportunity when passing through (and out of) threatened squares? For that matter, does the creature being pushed out of melee provoke an attack of opportunity from the caster?


Are you talking about force PUNCH?

"This spell charges your hand with telekinetic force. Your successful melee touch attack deals 1d4 points of force damage per level (maximum 10d4) and causes the target to be pushed away from you in a straight line up to 5 feet per two caster levels. For every size category of the target above Medium, reduce the distance pushed by 5 feet (–5 feet for Large, –10 feet for Huge, –15 for Gargantuan, and –20 feet for Colossal) to a minimum of 0 feet. A successful Fortitude save negates the movement but not the damage."

I would say yes, it provokes when the enemy leaves a threatened square. If the caster is threatening the square the creature was in when the spell was cast, then yes, it would provoke on its way out.


Tarantula wrote:
Are you talking about force PUNCH?

Whoops. Guess I haven't gotten SW:TOR completely out of my system yet.

Thanks for the clarification!


Don't feel bad. My entire group calls it that on purpose and we all start breathing heavily and speaking in deep voices when the sorcerer uses it. ;-)

Interestingly, there's not a lot of agreement on this topic. Force Punch is a bit vague. It doesn't say it does, and doesn't say it doesn't. By default, that would generally mean that attacks of opportunity do occur, although some might argue that involuntary movement does not provoke (a stance that has precedent, but isn't completely supported), as the action of moving is what provokes, not the inaction of it.

Here's a few other people with the same question of you that never managed to have their answer satisfactorily answered. It seems the question tends to trail off into obscurity, meaning no one's really quite sure. Good candidate for a FAQ question, this one, since it's a neat spell, and battlefield control is quite powerful. I would heartily advise showing all this info to your DM and asking him to decide how it works.

http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz41jp?Force-Punch-and-AoO

http://paizo.com/forums/gbijhhib/favorites?Questions-Regarding-Force-Punch

http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz4nh2?Questions-Regarding-Force-Punch

Good luck! :)


Brogue The Rogue wrote:

Don't feel bad. My entire group calls it that on purpose and we all start breathing heavily and speaking in deep voices when the sorcerer uses it. ;-)

Interestingly, there's not a lot of agreement on this topic. Force Punch is a bit vague. It doesn't say it does, and doesn't say it doesn't. By default, that would generally mean that attacks of opportunity do occur, although some might argue that involuntary movement does not provoke (a stance that has precedent, but isn't completely supported), as the action of moving is what provokes, not the inaction of it.

Here's a few other people with the same question of you that never managed to have their answer satisfactorily answered. It seems the question tends to trail off into obscurity, meaning no one's really quite sure. Good candidate for a FAQ question, this one, since it's a neat spell, and battlefield control is quite powerful. I would heartily advise showing all this info to your DM and asking him to decide how it works.

http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz41jp?Force-Punch-and-AoO

http://paizo.com/forums/gbijhhib/favorites?Questions-Regarding-Force-Punch

http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz4nh2?Questions-Regarding-Force-Punch

Good luck! :)

Thanks for the references. There goes my productivity for another day. : D


Happy to oblige. Don't want The Man getting all uppity and seeing an increased workload or performance productivity from you!

. . . . . . . . That'll do, pig. That'll do.

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