Besides the Sorcerer are there any other classes with options that change key ability preferences?


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The sorcerer has two alternative bloodlines both (wildblooded that swap an alternative key ability to CHA to drive the Sorcerer class features - Empyreal which is a wildblooded alternative to the Celestial bloodline uses Wisdome and Sage which is a wildblooded alternative to the Arcane bloodline uses INT.

Both seem tailor made for being used as part of a multiclass character (or for a race with a CHA penalty to play a Sorcerer)

Are there any other examples of Archetypes or other class options (Domains, schools of magic, styles etc) which offer a similar major change to the typical ability score dependancies of a given class? The Lore Warden Fighter archetype for example sacrifices medium and heavy armor for more skill points and a likely INT focus (which is otherwise a relatively common dump stat for many Fighter builds)?


The Inquisitor allows you to use wisdom for intimidate, bluff, or diplomacy depending on which inquisition you choose.


but the Inquisitor is already a WIS based class - what I'm curious about is are there other examples like the Sage or Empyreal bloodlines for Sorcerers that change a key ability for that class (i.e. make it possible to build a fully powerful sorcerer without much CHA)

The Lore Warden is a minor example of this - it makes an INT/DEX (or perhaps INT?STR fighter more viable and definitely seems to lead logically to either multiclassing with an INT based class and/or some Prestige Class options that likewise emphasize INT)

But I don't know of too many other examples - hence my question - are there Archetypes (or other key class defining choices) that might change how a class functions? (here I'm mostly thinking in terms of which ability scores are the focus of that class - but the archetypes that eliminate highly typical elements of a class might also count)


three levels in Zen archer monk lets you use your wisdom to hit with bows.


Rycaut wrote:

but the Inquisitor is already a WIS based class - what I'm curious about is are there other examples like the Sage or Empyreal bloodlines for Sorcerers that change a key ability for that class (i.e. make it possible to build a fully powerful sorcerer without much CHA)

The Lore Warden is a minor example of this - it makes an INT/DEX (or perhaps INT?STR fighter more viable and definitely seems to lead logically to either multiclassing with an INT based class and/or some Prestige Class options that likewise emphasize INT)

But I don't know of too many other examples - hence my question - are there Archetypes (or other key class defining choices) that might change how a class functions? (here I'm mostly thinking in terms of which ability scores are the focus of that class - but the archetypes that eliminate highly typical elements of a class might also count)

I understand but you have to boost charisma for social skills otherwise, and the inquisitor does have social skills as class skills.

As for something that works like the sorcerer where the main casting stat can be switched out isn't.

As for attack rolls there is the guided enhancement that lets you use wisdom, and the agile enhancement allows you to add dex to damage rolls instead of strength.

Liberty's Edge

An Oracle of Lore can use CHA for AC and reflex saves at Lvl 1. Not a complete change but it seems like a dip would stack well with Bard, Paladin or Sorcerer.

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