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POLL: Which do you like better Star Trek or Star Wars ?
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Meh. Babylon 5!
Can't Federation ships just use their transporter beams to place photon torpedoes onto most any Star War Universe ship?
I mean, if that's how it rolls, that's a distinct advantage.
ST get wrecked by SW expended Universe.
just TV+Movies'verses, I think ST can take it.
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ST get wrecked by SW expended Universe.
Lucas, for what it's worth, rejects the SW Expanded Universe as not being canon.
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The Federation could whip the Empire's sorry butt and right quick.
Soldiers
Empire: One-hit wonders whose armor can't sustain a single hit in the shoulder.
Federation: Red shirts (same thing).
Reserves
Empire: Humans only, plus a handful of bounty hunters.
Federation: An alliance of thousands of like-minded species from different worlds plus the Klingon Empire.
Elites
Empire: One cyborg.
Federation: Fleets of Klingons who think today is a very good day to die.
Firepower
Empire: Blasters. One very slow ship capable of the occasional destruction of a planet.
Federation: Every ship outfitted with photon torpedoes, phasers, and access to disruptors.
Shields
Empire: Most ships explode from a single hit.
Federation: Six or seven photon torpedoes, and she's still at half power, Captain!
Special Powers
Empire: Two old guys with fading Force powers and barely a complete human body between them.
Federation: Transporters, mind melds, vulcan grip, Shatner Brand Karate Chop (TM).
Brains
Empire: An old dude who's constantly scheming, and his cyborg watchdog with family issues.
Federation: Spock. Data. Geordie. Scotty. Seven of Nine. I could go on...
Tacticians
Empire: Admiral Ozzel (deceased; killed for incompetence), Captain Needa (deceased; killed for incompetence), Admiral Piett (doomed).
Federation: Federation Trained Geniuses Kirk, Picard, Janeway, Pike, Rikker, etc.
If the Federation showed up in the Star Wars universe, they'd whip the Empire's butt before they even knew who was shooting at them, put the Rebel Alliance out of a job within a week, give everybody a pat on the head, and head home.
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The Federation could whip the Empire's sorry butt and right quick.
Horsepucky.The Federation could whip the Empire's sorry butt and right quick.
I'd like him to cite his sources. Sounds made up to me. Doesn't hold up to casual observation.
EDIT: LOL! What a joke. Like usual, the Star Trek guys made some effort to make the specs make sense in a real-world setting.
Book Researcher: How much energy does this put out, guys?
ST Writers: Well, extrapolating from the way technology has improved, and continues to, we'd say about 3.6 gigawatts.
BR: Cool. And how about you, Star Wars writers? How much to those ships put out?
SW Writers: What? What's a gigawatt? Well, we wanna be super cool powerful coolness guys, so let's say 300 million! Is that a lot? Yeah! Cool! Say that!!!
BR: Yeah... cool... (to self) Idiots.
Horsepucky.The Federation could whip the Empire's sorry butt and right quick.
The Star Trek Universe has one HUGE advantage over the Star Wars Universe: George Lucas.
You clearly did not read the site. Like at all.
The little box over in the upper left hand side is a menu.
The first page is a summary. A TL;DR if you will.
The menu leads to a thorough breakdown of individual technologies, tactics, etc. He sites all of his sources, hence all the footnotes at the bottom of the page.
Some of the stuff is glaringly obvious...
Like voyager would have taken 70 years to travel half the galaxy...in SW it's a few hour trip...
But I won;t spoil it for you.
Read it.
Read the hate mail section too. Funny stuff in there.
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@ Bruunwald: Again. Read it.
The Star Trek Universe has one HUGE advantage over the Star Wars Universe: George Lucas.Horsepucky.The Federation could whip the Empire's sorry butt and right quick.
Countered by Rick Berman.
You clearly did not read the site. Like at all.
The little box over in the upper left hand side is a menu.
The first page is a summary. A TL;DR if you will.
The menu leads to a thorough breakdown of individual technologies, tactics, etc. He sites all of his sources, hence all the footnotes at the bottom of the page.Some of the stuff is glaringly obvious...
Like voyager would have taken 70 years to travel half the galaxy...in SW it's a few hour trip...But I won;t spoil it for you.
Read it.
No, I went back and read it. It's total crap. That's why I edited my previous post to include this:
Book Researcher: How much energy does this put out, guys?
ST Writers: Well, extrapolating from the way technology has improved, and continues to, we'd say about 3.6 gigawatts.
BR: Cool. And how about you, Star Wars writers? How much to those ships put out?
SW Writers: What? What's a gigawatt? Well, we wanna be super cool powerful coolness guys, so let's say 300 million! Is that a lot? Yeah! Cool! Say that!!!
BR: Yeah... cool... (to self) Idiots.
Come on. The Star Wars guys don't even know what they're doing. They clearly threw out the biggest numbers they could come up with, just to be cool. It's like asking a little kid how much money is a lot, and he starts shouting out numbers with made-up names.
Countered by Rick Berman.The Star Trek Universe has one HUGE advantage over the Star Wars Universe: George Lucas.Horsepucky.The Federation could whip the Empire's sorry butt and right quick.
True. However Rick Berman and Brannon Braga were both removed from the Franchise by Paramount.
George Lucas cannot be removed from Star Wars.
His power out put for turbolasers are based on this guy's work on the subject.
Countered by Rick Berman.The Star Trek Universe has one HUGE advantage over the Star Wars Universe: George Lucas.Horsepucky.The Federation could whip the Empire's sorry butt and right quick.
True. However Rick Berman and Brannon Braga were both removed from the Franchise by Paramount.
George Lucas cannot be removed from Star Wars.
It's ok. He took his ball and went home. Seems he can't take criticism. Who knew?
It's ok. He took his ball and went home. Seems he can't take criticism. Who knew?Countered by Rick Berman.The Star Trek Universe has one HUGE advantage over the Star Wars Universe: George Lucas.Horsepucky.The Federation could whip the Empire's sorry butt and right quick.
True. However Rick Berman and Brannon Braga were both removed from the Franchise by Paramount.
George Lucas cannot be removed from Star Wars.
ROTFLMOA
That said, I don't know what your take on J.J.Abrams version of Star Trek is. :)
Think about this for a moment. A gigawatt is 1 Billion Watts. That means the gun on the transport from that Star Wars freak - er, I mean fan's - site, puts out a single blast of 300,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 watts!
Extrapolate that. Let's say Han's blaster puts out only half that power. It's still enough to have melted away his half of the cantina when he shot Greedo. Hell, it may be enough to melt away all of Mos Eisley.
Clearly, the Star Wars guys pulled numbers out of their tuckuses. (Tucki?)
What you see on the screen can't possibly be anything near that. If it were, each time a TIE fighter shot an X-Wing, it would melt nearby ships and asteroids. Not to mention the TIE fighter that had taken the shot.
I liked it.
I like Star Trek as a franchise.
I just disagree with Bruun on the tech stuff.
Another minor nit pick is with ST:NG. They made it sound like humanity had to turn into a commune of hippies and nerds to create the Federation.
In Star Wars, humans are still a%+~&*@s, and leaps and bounds ahead technologicly, with none of the hippy feel good horsepucky (except for the occasional Jedi)...
Think about this for a moment. A gigawatt is 1 Billion Watts. That means the gun on the transport from that Star Wars freak - er, I mean fan's - site, puts out a single blast of 300,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 watts!
Extrapolate that. Let's say Han's blaster puts out only half that power. It's still enough to have melted away his half of the cantina when he shot Greedo. Hell, it may be enough to melt away all of Mos Eisley.
Clearly, the Star Wars guys pulled numbers out of their tuckuses. (Tucki?)
What you see on the screen can't possibly be anything near that. If it were, each time a TIE fighter shot an X-Wing, it would melt nearby ships and asteroids. Not to mention the TIE fighter that had taken the shot.
Ok. Sure. Becasue the power pack on Han's blaster pistol is anywhere near the same as the reactors on a Star Destroyer, or that the fighters actually have capital ship-sized turbo lasers on them.
Seriously?
EDIT: The guy had pics from the movies of the size and scale of the things he as talking about, so the reader would know exactly to what he was referring. You have got to be being obtuse.
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I think that the plausibility of the various tech systems is a bit of a weird standard for defining which one you enjoyed watching more, but to each his own.
I went with Star Wars because I like it better, gut feeling-wise.
I realize I just picked 'feelings' over 'awesome tech thingies', and am thus banned from nerdhood forever. I'll be over there in yonder corner.
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Lucas, for what it's worth, rejects the SW Expanded Universe as not being canon.ST get wrecked by SW expended Universe.
And I, for what it's worth, reject the prequels for being crap.
And I, for what it's worth, reject the prequels for being crap.Lucas, for what it's worth, rejects the SW Expanded Universe as not being canon.ST get wrecked by SW expended Universe.
Join the club.
And I, for what it's worth, reject the prequels for being crap.Lucas, for what it's worth, rejects the SW Expanded Universe as not being canon.ST get wrecked by SW expended Universe.
The supports my earlier statement. :)
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That said, I don't know what your take on J.J.Abrams version of Star Trek is. :)I think your blogger has missed out on one very essential truth of Trek in all it's incarnations.
The show is a product of it's time. TOS reflected the views of Roddenberry's generation, a very conservative, xenophobic, and frequently reactionary bunch, which still had some very important values and virtues attached to it. For all of its good points TOS could justly be accused of racial and national tokenism, being very much in favor of the Vietnam War, and harshly critical of the progressive movements of it's day, and expressing several misogynistic viewpoints as well in it's treatment of female characters.
Ironically - At Its Time - Star Trek was rightly considered liberal, socially progressive, racially inclusive and feminist. :)
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I'd personally like to see the whole frakkin Federation be taken out Battlestar Galactica style.
The problem I have with this universe is everyone on the ships get along, work together and the status quo is always maintained. It is literally too civilized to be believable and hard choices are either condemned or avoided in a technobabble solution.
Give me Serenity/Firefly, Doctor Who, BSG, B5, Star Wars or any other show where character matters.
The problem I have with this universe is everyone on the ships get along, work together and the status quo is always maintained. It is literally too civilized to be believable and hard choices are either condemned or avoided in a technobabble solution.
The 1966 Original Series was actually better about this then the later ones.
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I'd personally like to see the whole frakkin Federation be taken out Battlestar Galactica style.
The problem I have with this universe is everyone on the ships get along, work together and the status quo is always maintained. It is literally too civilized to be believable and hard choices are either condemned or avoided in a technobabble solution.
Give me Serenity/Firefly, Doctor Who, BSG, B5, Star Wars or any other show where character matters.
Try DS9 on for size.
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Try DS9 on for size.I'd personally like to see the whole frakkin Federation be taken out Battlestar Galactica style.
The problem I have with this universe is everyone on the ships get along, work together and the status quo is always maintained. It is literally too civilized to be believable and hard choices are either condemned or avoided in a technobabble solution.
Give me Serenity/Firefly, Doctor Who, BSG, B5, Star Wars or any other show where character matters.
I know I probably quit on this too soon (Season 2 or 3) B5 was way better at the time and it was on a low point during my television nerderrey. The original series I agree is better.
But next gen just spoiled it for me.
On the other hand so much good stuff has come out my response is, why bother?
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I'll pass on Blahblahblah 5, thanks. Give me Farscape any day.
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Think about this for a moment. A gigawatt is 1 Billion Watts. That means the gun on the transport from that Star Wars freak - er, I mean fan's - site, puts out a single blast of 300,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 watts!
Extrapolate that. Let's say Han's blaster puts out only half that power. It's still enough to have melted away his half of the cantina when he shot Greedo. Hell, it may be enough to melt away all of Mos Eisley.
Clearly, the Star Wars guys pulled numbers out of their tuckuses. (Tucki?)
What you see on the screen can't possibly be anything near that. If it were, each time a TIE fighter shot an X-Wing, it would melt nearby ships and asteroids. Not to mention the TIE fighter that had taken the shot.
At least they got the actual units right on that one. Remember, Han Solo seems to think that a parsec is a unit of time.
Star Wars fails physics forever.
Oh, and obviously a couple of dozen redshirts could wipe out the most highly regarded warriors in the Star Wars universe...after all, a bunch of lobotomized clones did it.
They finagled the 'parsec' argument as actually meaning distance when Solo talks about it...it's a navigation feat, not just a time feat.
If you accept the hyperspace run through the Kessel hyperspace corridor is extremely dangerous and narrow, then finding a route through an area laden with black holes and gravity wells shorter then anyone else, assuming anyone can match the hyperspace multiplier, is a heck of an achievement.
Of course, in reality they just threw out the word because it sounded cool.
==Aelryinth
I know we are doing the whole "nerd" thing, but ...
We are really discussing the wrong things.
Which movies/TV series/Books/etc. do you enjoy more? Since neither Star Trek or Star Wars are real, that is the most important consideration.
Then we can get to sub-considerations:
I have my own answers to these questions (which can be inferred from my previous responses),
... Usually while shooting AT THE FEDERATION. That's the problem, the Klingons would likely turn on the Federation and side with the Empire. They at least know how to respect the strong. :)
Elites
Empire: One cyborg.
Federation: Fleets of Klingons who think today is a very good day to die.
They probably wouldn't however respect the empires habit of leaving a damned hatch open so one friggan hotshot pilot can fly in and blow up super expensive space station.
A two meter wide shaft is a much less significant plot hole than the ones in any given ST episode or movie.
Just sayin'.
Damn you, Rick Berman.