Resurrection Question

[roccojr]

Part One
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I might be suffering from a case of Previous Edition Hangover but I seem to recall that a dead character knew the circumstances of a Resurrection attempt and could make a decision as to whether or not he was willing (thus benefiting from a Saving Throw)... so you didn't have Paladins finding themselves resurrected into some demonic torture devices only to become a plaything - sure to be the big item this Christmas in the Abyss...

I can't find references to this in the SRD or PFSRD though the effect of the target of the spell being willing or unwilling is detailed.

Am I missing it and its still there? Or is it removed?

[Quatar]

First prargraph of Raise Dead:

Quote:

In addition, the subject's soul must be free and willing to return. If the subject's soul is not willing to return, the spell does not work; therefore, a subject that wants to return receives no saving throw.

If he's not willing it fails. No saving throw or anything, auto-fail.

I also remembered that they would learn the alignment of the person trying to raise them, but can't find that in PFSRD now either. Maybe that's in another section, or was removed or just misrememberd by me.

EDIT:
Ah found it: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic#TOC-Special-Spell-Effects

Quote:

Revivification against One's Will

A soul can't be returned to life if it doesn't wish to be. A soul knows the name, alignment, and patron deity (if any) of the character attempting to revive it and may refuse to return on that basis.

[Ravingdork]

Quatar wrote:

Ah found it: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic#TOC-Special-Spell-Effects

Quote:

Revivification against One's Will

A soul can't be returned to life if it doesn't wish to be. A soul knows the name, alignment, and patron deity (if any) of the character attempting to revive it and may refuse to return on that basis.

But is it in the books or the PRD? It's quite possible it made its way onto that 3rd party site from v3.5, and not modern Pathfinder.

[Corlindale]

There's no actual saving throw, because it's simply impossible to raise someone against their will. It's right there in the Raise Dead spell description, I have the Core PF book in front of me.

I can't find the clause about alignment in the spell description, though, that must be from somewhere else.

[Lab_Rat]

Since resurrection works like raise dead but with extras, lets look at raise dead.
From the PRD (I bolded the important part)

raise dead:

Raise Dead

School conjuration (healing); Level cleric 5

Casting Time 1 minute

Components V, S, M (diamond worth 5,000 gp), DF

Range touch

Target dead creature touched

Duration instantaneous

Saving Throw none, see text; Spell Resistance yes (harmless)

You restore life to a deceased creature. You can raise a creature that has been dead for no longer than 1 day per caster level. In addition, the subject's soul must be free and willing to return. If the subject's soul is not willing to return, the spell does not work; therefore, a subject that wants to return receives no saving throw.

Coming back from the dead is an ordeal. The subject of the spell gains two permanent negative levels when it is raised, just as if it had been hit by an energy-draining creature. If the subject is 1st level, it takes 2 points of Constitution drain instead (if this would reduce its Con to 0 or less, it can't be raised). A character who died with spells prepared has a 50% chance of losing any given spell upon being raised. A spellcasting creature that doesn't prepare spells (such as a sorcerer) has a 50% chance of losing any given unused spell slot as if it had been used to cast a spell.

A raised creature has a number of hit points equal to its current HD. Any ability scores damaged to 0 are raised to 1. Normal poison and normal disease are cured in the process of raising the subject, but magical diseases and curses are not undone. While the spell closes mortal wounds and repairs lethal damage of most kinds, the body of the creature to be raised must be whole. Otherwise, missing parts are still missing when the creature is brought back to life. None of the dead creature's equipment or possessions are affected in any way by this spell.

A creature who has been turned into an undead creature or killed by a death effect can't be raised by this spell. Constructs, elementals, outsiders, and undead creatures can't be raised. The spell cannot bring back a creature that has died of old age.

Yep. Needs to be willing.

Edit: Ninja'd by the person who didn't waste time finding quotes.

[roccojr]

Ok.. no save if unwilling. My head knew that but my fingers typed otherwise.

Quatar found the pfsrd reference. Ravingdork raises a good question but it is on the pfsrd site so that would seem to make it official, no?

[Quatar]

Ravingdork wrote:

Quatar wrote:

Ah found it: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic#TOC-Special-Spell-Effects

Quote:

Revivification against One's Will

A soul can't be returned to life if it doesn't wish to be. A soul knows the name, alignment, and patron deity (if any) of the character attempting to revive it and may refuse to return on that basis.

But is it in the books or the PRD? It's quite possible it made its way onto that 3rd party site from v3.5, and not modern Pathfinder.

Page 208 in my PDF of the Core Rules. I guess its in the printversion too.

Lab_Rat wrote:

Edit: Ninja'd by the person who didn't waste time finding quotes.

Are you refering to me? Because I did provide those exact quotes over an hour ago. :)