Question about the material components of a scroll or potion.


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Scrolls and potions require a medium to be stored on, parchment or paper for scrolls, and vials for potions. So here is my question, what happens to the medium once the magic is used up? I know that the magic in a potion in the liquid, and the magic of the scrolls are in the spell words and ink.

So does that mean that the paper and vials are destroyed after the magic is used up? And is anything special required for the mediums? For example does it have to be masterwork paper? If the medium is left behind, can it only be used for magic, or can it is normal paper could it be reused to write down notes or a map?

The rules don’t state that the used items are destroyed, in fact, in the case of wands it states that they can be re-crafted to hold a new spell.


I would have to check the book for sure, but I know for scrolls that the magic in one is used up and the writing on the scroll disappears. The part I am not sure about is if the scroll becomes normal paper or whatever and cannot be used to make another scroll or if the material stays of the quality needed to make a scroll.

As for the container for a potion, there is nothing special about it at all. It is just a glass vial or a metal flask or whatever and can be used multiple times to hold whatever liquid, magical or not, that you want to put into it.


Enevhar Aldarion wrote:

I would have to check the book for sure, but I know for scrolls that the magic in one is used up and the writing on the scroll disappears. The part I am not sure about is if the scroll becomes normal paper or whatever and cannot be used to make another scroll or if the material stays of the quality needed to make a scroll.

As for the container for a potion, there is nothing special about it at all. It is just a glass vial or a metal flask or whatever and can be used multiple times to hold whatever liquid, magical or not, that you want to put into it.

That is my question too. I am trying to make a magic item based around storing spells, but I don't know what happens to the pages once the spell on the scroll is used up.


Here you go, from page 552 of the Core Book:

Quote:
All writing implements and materials used to scribe a scroll must be fresh and unused.

So, no, you cannot reuse an activated scroll to make another scroll.


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Enevhar Aldarion wrote:
So, no, you cannot reuse an activated scroll to make another scroll.

I just had an idea for a character who collects used scrolls in scroll cases, or binds them into books... like a wizard-wannabe.

EDIT: And once again, I forget to actually address the topic.
Enevhar Aldarion posted it right; a scroll is gone once used. I usually rule that the parchment disappears as part of using it, but I could also see the writing just fading from the scroll. If so, I'd make a rule that you could re-use the blank parchment, but you still need to pay normal costs for scribing a scroll; it's just plain old parchment once the original magical writing is gone. Ditto for a potion; once you've drunk the potion, it's just an empty nonmagical vial.

(And for those of you gold-piece-miser munchkins who want a one-or-two gp discount on making a scroll just because you already have parchment... No. If I'm GM, no. I don't ask you to track every damn arrow and morsel of trail ration, you don't ask me for a pittance discount on making magic items.)

As for a magic item that stores spells, there are a few in the core rulebook. Let me find the Reference Document link... here it is:
Magic Items

Check out the Caster's Shield unique shield (can scribe up to a 3rd level scroll on the back), or the Spell Storing weapon property (can store a single targeted spell of up to 3rd level). That might be a good place to start.


Arbalester wrote:
Enevhar Aldarion wrote:

As for a magic item that stores spells, there are a few in the core rulebook. Let me find the Reference Document link... here it is:

Magic Items

Check out the Caster's Shield unique shield (can scribe up to a 3rd level scroll on the back), or the Spell Storing weapon property (can store a single targeted spell of up to 3rd level). That might be a good place to start.

I already have my ideas down on what it can and cannot do. But you are right the caster shield does allow you to re-scribe scrolls on the strip. So I think I will state that the pages do not disappear.


The magic item I was talking about can be found here:

http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz5adq?Idea-for-a-new-magic-item-Book-of-scrolls# 7

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