Can a Pinned target still attack?


Rules Questions


Just looking at the description for Pinned:

Quote:
Pinned: A pinned creature is tightly bound and can take few actions. A pinned creature cannot move and is flatfooted. A pinned character also takes an additional –4 penalty to his Armor Class. A pinned creature is limited in the actions that it can take. A pinned creature can always attempt to free itself, usually through a combat maneuver check or Escape Artist check. A pinned creature can take verbal and mental actions, but cannot cast any spells that require a somatic or material component. A pinned character who attempts to cast a spell must make a concentration check (DC 10 + grappler’s CMB + spell level) or lose the spell. Pinned is a more severe version of grappled, and their effects do not stack.

And I noticed that nowhere in there does it say the pinned creature can't attack. Or even has it's attacks hindered in any way.

Is this correct? It seems really counter to the idea of being "pinned" that all it really seems to do is hinder spellcasting.

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Pinned

A pinned creature is tightly bound and can take few actions. A pinned creature cannot move and is denied its Dexterity bonus. A pinned character also takes an additional –4 penalty to his Armor Class. A pinned creature is limited in the actions that it can take. A pinned creature can always attempt to free itself, usually through a combat maneuver check or Escape Artist check. A pinned creature can take verbal and mental actions, but cannot cast any spells that require a somatic or material component. A pinned character who attempts to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability must make a concentration check (DC 10 + grappler's CMB + spell level) or lose the spell. Pinned is a more severe version of grappled, and their effects do not stack.

Pretty much you can try to break free or use mental only abilities.


Hmm, if that's the case it's not worded very well. Since it doesn't say the target can ONLY take those actions. It just says the target is limited in it's actions, then lists a couple of actions.


It says you can take mental and verbal actions. I don't think it would state that if all other actions are also available.
The only physical actions it directly says you can take are trying to escape the pin.

I do agree that it should have been written as "You can only......."

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The GM screen says "can only take verbal and mental actions"


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ZomB wrote:
The GM screen says "can only take verbal and mental actions"

That makes much more sense. They should fix that in the next errata if they haven't already.

Thanks for the help all.

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