Does a particularly strong were-rat become a particularly strong dire-rat when it changes ?

[richard develyn]

Is the intention to calculate the differences between the lycanthropes average versions in various forms and then apply them to unusual versions?

So, for example, a were-rat who in human form has str 18, would become in dire-rat form a specimen with str 15.

Richard

[Benchak the Nightstalker]

A wererat who in human form has a Strength 18 would, in Dire Rat form, have a Strength 20.

In hybrid and animal form, you use the human form's ability scores, or the animal form's ability scores, whichever are higher. Then you add +2 to Str and Con.

(Edited to correct terms.)
(Also edited because I forgot the +2 to Strength you get for being in Hybrid form)

[richard develyn]

Ok, thanks - I thought there might be a general transformation, but neither the WereRat nor the WereWolf's stats change to hybrid form is according to what it says in RAW.

In the former case, the Wererat also gains +2 Dex, in the latter +2 Dex and +3 (instead of +2) Con.

Richard

[Benchak the Nightstalker]

richard develyn wrote:

Ok, thanks - I thought there might be a general transformation, but neither the WereRat nor the WereWolf's stats change to hybrid form is according to what it says in RAW.

In the former case, the Wererat also gains +2 Dex, in the latter +2 Dex and +3 (instead of +2) Con.

Richard

No, they're both correct. You compare the base creatures ability score to the animal's ability score, and use whichever is higher. Take the wererat for example.

The base creature (a human rogue) has these stats:
Human Rogue
Str 13
Dex 15
Con 14
Int 10
Wis 16
Cha 6

The animal (a dire rat) has these stats:
Dire Rat
Str 10
Dex 17
Con 13
Int 2
Wis 13
Cha 4

So to calculate the hybrid wererat's stats, you would do the following:
Wererat
Str is 13 for human, 10 for rat. Take the human's score, add 2 for hybrid form = 15
Dex is 15 for human, 17 for rat. Take the rat's score = 17
Con is 14 for human, 13 for rat. Take the human's score, add 2 for hybrid form = 16
Int is 10 for human, 2 for rat. Take the human's score = 10
Wis is 16 for human, 13 for rat. Take the human's score = 16
Cha is 6 for human, 4 for rat. Take the human's score = 6

So you get Str 15, Dex 17, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 16, Cha 6, just like the wererat has in the Bestiary.

Werewolf works the same way:
Werewolf
Str is 17 for human, 13 for wolf. Take the human's score, add 2 for hybrid form = 19
Dex is 13 for human, 15 for wolf. Take the wolf's score = 15
Con is 14 for human, 15 for wolf. Take the wolf's score, add 2 for hybrid form = 17
Int is 8 for human, 2 for wolf. Take the human's score = 8
Wis is 14 for human, 12 for wolf. Take the human's score = 14
Cha is 8 for human, 6 for wolf. Take the human's score = 8

Str 19, Dex 15, Con 17, Int 8, Wis 14, Cha 8, like the werewolf has in the book.

[richard develyn]

Oh I see!

Thank you.

Richard

[LazarX]

All lycanthropic adjustments are done to the base ability scores of the creature in question. This can and usually will result in scores that are different from the Bestiary sample.