FoB and Wielding a One-Handed Weapon 2-Handed


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Scarab Sages

I have seen mention of a monk wielding a Temple Sword in both hands to get 1.5x strength bonus on each FoB attack. I thought the text highlighted below specifically forbade this. It seems quite clear to me.

Core Rulebook wrote:
A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows, whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a weapon wielded in both hands. A monk may substitute disarm, sunder, and trip combat maneuvers for unarmed attacks as part of a flurry of blows. A monk cannot use any weapon other than an unarmed strike or a special monk weapon as part of a flurry of blows. A monk with natural weapons cannot use such weapons as part of a flurry of blows, nor can he make natural attacks in addition to his flurry of blows attacks.

(emphasis mine)

Comments?


They don't get 1.5x Strength, but they DO get 1.5x Power Attack. Since Power Attack is based on hands, not portion of Strength added to an attack, it is a cute little work around of how Flurry is designed to work.

Personally, I'd love if this was fixed so Power Attack multiplier = Strength multiplier. Partially for this, but mostly to make Double Slice a way more useful feat.

Dark Archive

Mort's correct. Monks also get the benefit of full BAB while flurrying, so two-handed power attacking is the way to go.

Scarab Sages

Aaah...
That might change the way I build my monk cohort (if Mr. GM allows me to build said cohort).
I agree with Mort. This seems like a clever manipulation of RAW to produce an unintended result. But then, some say that a monk needs all the help he can get.
At 6th level, with 18 STR, the bonus damage would then be +10 (4 from STR and 4*1.5=6 from PA) if I read the rules correctly. I kinda like that.

Sczarni

A monk would get to add 1.5 x STR while 2-handing a temple sword if they were not using flurry of blows - say as part of a charge...

They'd of course have to make this attack at 3/4 BAB...

I do think the 3:1 ratio from Power Attack is worth a FAQ - because the language in Flurry of Blows says something along the lines of "as if using Two-Weapon fighting"... Which one could argue precludes weilding a weapon in two hands...

Dark Archive

At fourth level you'd get the same bonus because the monk's BAB while flurrying is equal to his level.

Sczarni

Mergy wrote:
At fourth level you'd get the same bonus because the monk's BAB while flurrying is equal to his level.

Nope. I mean Yes you are right about that but No they wouldn't get the same bonus. A monk still only attacks at 3/4 BAB while not flurrying - which is what I was saying if you re-read my post.

Full BAB = No 1.5x STR
3/4 BAB = Yes 1.5x STR

Dark Archive

Agreed. I should have quoted the post above yours.


On a side note, can this be applied to the rapier? Not as a monk/flurry option, but can a rapier be used in two hands - not for the 1.5 Str bonus which is forbidden by the weapon description - but to get the higher (3:1) power attack effect?


Guess it comes down to how your read the line

You can't wield a rapier in two hands in order to apply 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus to damage.

It could be that you can't two hand it at all or it could be that you can't two hand it for extra damage so the moral is.

Ask your GM befor two-handing Rapiers for power attack as not all GMs are in agreement of this use. Do not apply half again your strength while two-handing a Rapier. Side effects of Two-handing a Rapier include irrated Dms, puzzled looks from your fellow players and a high chance of being laughed at by every monster you encounter.

Dark Archive

Technically, yes. Most people will want it to not work though, so expect a battle with the GM just about wherever you take it.

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