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I have a player with a summoner character. He has just reached 4th level and he want (obviously) to get the maximum number of attacks with his eidolon.
He think he can get them with 2 claw attack (arm), bite and slam.
He read the slam ability as a body slam. My reading of the ability is that it replace one or both claws attack but I am not sure what interpretation is right, mine or his.
So I have 2 question for the forum collective wisdom:
- the slam replace the one or both claw attacks?
- what combo will allow him to get 4 attacks at level 4?
Note: the eidolon form is Bipedal
I have found some older post about this question but nothing conclusive.
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I am one of those GM (at least until he get a fly speed).
I don't recall any not flying bipedal creature that can use at the same time both his fore limbs and his legs to attack without using a pounce-like ability.
It can be done with iterative attacks (i.e. by a monk or someone with improved unarmed strike), but. AFAIK, not by a creature suing natural attacks.
Hmmm.... Maybe bird like feet, jump on the target, attack with clawed feet, slam with arms or body and bite?
The imagery work.
I am not trying to short charge the player but to find a visualization of the attack that isn't too silly.
the thing with the claws on feet is to not think of it in terms of the humanoid.
say a quadruped has claws on his feet no issues. just like a tiger. buys a set of arms. puts a slam on them. this all fits... no reason to make issue of it just be ause it's a humanoid eidolon.
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But it is not a quadruped. That is another form for the eidolon.
This one is bipedal.
And a tiger don't get to attack with his hind legs unless it is raking, i.e. has used a pounce attack or has successfully grabbed the target.
Choosing a form or another has advantages and drawbacks, it should not be: "I chose the better advantages between form a and form b".
I have never seen a monster in the Monster Manuals or Bestiaries that has slam attacks with limbs and another attack option with those same limbs (usually a manufactured weapon attack, granted) being able to use the same limb for both on in the same (full) attack action.
So I would say no.
If he had claws and slam applied to different sets of limbs, then it would be fine, of course.
And I think you get a single slam per set of limbs, which is why people use the claws (that and rend). :)
But it is not a quadruped. That is another form for the eidolon.
This one is bipedal.
And a tiger don't get to attack with his hind legs unless it is raking, i.e. has used a pounce attack or has successfully grabbed the target.Choosing a form or another has advantages and drawbacks, it should not be: "I chose the better advantages between form a and form b".
what I'm trying to say is as far as the rules go, the game doesn't care wether its a quadruped or not. having claws on the feet on one eidolon body type isn't cheese and not cheese on another body type.
sorry I should add something as far as claws on the feet go have no issue with it. however I do think the intent of the free claws goes is that they are on the hands. I think if he wants feet claws he should have to pay for them.
Consider the Deinonychus (aka velociraptor): Melee 2 talons +5 (1d8+2),bite +5 (1d6+2), foreclaws +0 (1d4+1)
It's a bipedal creature which uses the legs it stands on as part of a full attack (the talons). Replace the foreclaws with a slam (because you've got bigger and tougher arms), and you have your eidolon.
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Good suggestion Bobson, it is exactly the kind of image at which I was aiming two post ago, but I wasn't capable to remember a creature with that kind of attack.
I was thinking of something ostrich like but the Deinonychus image is way better. A small, but very important difference.
@Mojorat
the free claw evolution for a bipedal eidolon can be placed on any limb, but both bipedal and quadrupedal eidolon can have only 1 set of claws on the legs, interdependently by the number of legs evolution.
To attack with multiple legs he should take the rake ability and it cost 2 points.