Is it possible to have both an Arcane Bond and a Familiar

[richard develyn]

- where the latter is, say, gained through Eldritch Heritage?

The SRD says no and refers to the FAQ = but I can't find the FAQ reference.

Richard

[wraithstrike]

I think there is way to get a familiar as druid so maybe thought multi-classing, but I don't know of a way to do so otherwise.

What srd? d20pfsrd or the PRD?

[richard develyn]

Here:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/bloodlines/bloodlines -from-paizo/arcane-bloodline

I was thinking of combining a level of Wizard and Eldritch Heritage feat with sorcerer Arcane bloodline.

Richard

[Quatar]

Well it says pretty straight forward that the Arcane Bond bloodline ability does not allow you to have both an bonded item and a familiar.

That part is in the Core Rulebook already, I thinkt he reference to the FAQ is at the wrong place and should refer to the clarification that it only alows spells from the spell known list, because that's what got errata'd.

So I'd say "no doesn't work".

[AM NOT HELPING]

Sure. 1 level witch and the bloodline feats. or a level of witch and a level of wizard (some sorcerer)

[AM NOT HELPING]

richard develyn wrote:

Here:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/bloodlines/bloodlines -from-paizo/arcane-bloodline

I was thinking of combining a level of Wizard and Eldritch Heritage feat with sorcerer Arcane bloodline.

Richard

RAW=???

RAI=???

I'D ALLOW IT?

[d20pfsrd.com]

I just looked and yeah, the location of the "see errata" note was misleading/confusing. I've removed it.

[LazarX]

richard develyn wrote:

- where the latter is, say, gained through Eldritch Heritage?

The SRD says no and refers to the FAQ = but I can't find the FAQ reference.

Richard

No, because you can't have the same class feature twice. In this case the Arcane Bond class feature. It's one or the other, mate.

[cwslyclgh]

However the witch class doesn't have the arcane bond class feature, it has the Witch's Familiar class feature... so it appears that you might be able to get both a familiar and a bonded item by taking a level of witch along with a level of a class with arcane bond (wizard, sorcerer with the arcane bloodline).

[Mergy]

cwslyclgh wrote:

However the witch class doesn't have the arcane bond class feature, it has the Witch's Familiar class feature... so it appears that you might be able to get both a familiar and a bonded item by taking a level of witch along with a level of a class with arcane bond (wizard, sorcerer with the arcane bloodline).

The witch's familiar class feature "uses the same rules as the wizard's arcane bond class feature (see pages 78 and 82 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook)", except as otherwise noted in the APG. Nowhere does it state in the APG that a witch can acquire a bonded object instead of or in addition to her familiar, so by RAW I would say no. That said, I don't think it would be overpowered to allow it for the feat cost of Eldritch Heritage.

Source: APG pg. 69

What's more, looking at the sorcerer's arcane bloodline:

Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook pg. 73 wrote:

Arcane Bond (Su): At 1st level, you gain an arcane bond, as a wizard equal to your sorcerer level. Your sorcerer levels stack with any wizard levels you possess when determining the powers of your familiar or bonded object. This ability does not allow you to have both a familiar and a bonded item.

[TClifford]

So basically, you can't be a Arcane Bond Wizard and a normal Witch?

[Archaeik]

I'm not sure how those would interact, perhaps taking the level of witch would force the switch of your bond to a familiar even though the wizard text says it can't be changed?

[Mergy]

@TClifford: It would appear that the classes are incompatible, not unlike barbarian and paladin. If I had a bonded object wizard player who for some reason wanted to multiclass to witch (which is an awful multiclass, by the by), I would allow him to get rid of his bonded object as a one-time multiclassing deal; he'd be worse off by multiclassing anyway.

By RAW, doesn't work though. For the purposes of PFS, it doesn't work. For the purposes of a home game, tell them not to anyway because it'll suck.

[LazarX]

TClifford wrote:

So basically, you can't be a Arcane Bond Wizard and a normal Witch?

Makes sense to me. I can't think of two classes that are more antithetical to each other flavor wise, while still in the field of the arcane.

[Mergy]

You also can't be a sea singer/myrmidarch. That's the real tragedy here.