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How exactly does this weapon from Ultimate Combat work? By description it almost seems like a double weapon. Is the iron ring supposed to be the actual part of this weapon you attack with? The blade on the weapon says it's either a thrown like a dagger (with a greater range increment but whatever) or used as off-hand melee weapon, meaning I'm not supposed to be wielding this thing in my main hand? Or I'm not allowed to?
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Maybe these will help. It is a reach weapon in which you can strike with either end, but it is not a double weapon. You must choose which damage type you're going to deal (slashing for the hooked dagger end or bludgeoning for the ring end) on any given attack.
But the damage types listed are S or P...
And it seems to weigh 1 lb... That must be in reference to the bladed portion only, right?
All this confusion is unusually exhilirating...
Ahem. Having trained with one once, allow me to illustrate how they work: You use the chain end to strike at range, tangle and trip. The knife-blade is uses to hook, disarm, and then stab the foe once they are tangled and tripped.
Basically they are a weapon designed to counter a heavily armoured foe. Strike at range with the weight on the chain until they try and attack you. As they attack you, use the chain to tangle their legs and trip them at range, then move in to disarm them with the hook before finishing them off with the knife-blade (you can find the chinks in their armour up close and personal).
Maybe the ring is the primary weapon (capable of reach and trip), and the blade is the secondary melee weapon? Would that be a fair reading?
1) Strike at range with the weight on the chain until they try and attack you.
2) As they attack you, use the chain to tangle their legs and trip them at range,
3) then move in to disarm them with the hook before finishing them off with the knife-blade (you can find the chinks in their armour up close and personal).
I get the concept now (thanks), but now I still have a hard time deciphering the rules as they appear in the UC weapons table. How would you rule on the following?
1) can you do bludgeoning damage, or is that ring there just to taunt?
2) you can do a ranged trip, but can you also do ranged damage? Is it piercing, slashing, or bludgeoning?
3)is there some other property that the hook should have for bypassing heavy armor?
dotting for future reference.
I'm wondering about this as well. Has there been any clarification?
I get the concept now (thanks), but now I still have a hard time deciphering the rules as they appear in the UC weapons table. How would you rule on the following?
1) can you do bludgeoning damage, or is that ring there just to taunt?
2) you can do a ranged trip, but can you also do ranged damage? Is it piercing, slashing, or bludgeoning?
3)is there some other property that the hook should have for bypassing heavy armor?
Ignoring UC completely, with the real weapon:
1 & 2) Yes, that ring can hit for bludgeoning damage when swung at the end of the rope. I wouldn't try and swing the knife end, it's really badly balanced for that and very awkward, and if the hook gets caught on the rope you can break your own weapon.
3) You should be able to apply the rope as a grapple/pin, at which point you have a coup-de-grace situation.
Close, except that as I mention above IRL throwing the dagger is a bad move, it's badly weighted and the hook can snag in the rope.
Hey, I'm just telling it like it is IRL. May not be Pathfinder accurate, but it's a good place to start.
A lot if weapons need clarification maybe we need a ultimate weapon book.