Gaining Subtypes and Ongoing Conditions (Energy Form)

[Varthanna]

I am curious if this is covered in the rules anywhere (and if so, where), and if not, how people would handle it.

If I have a condition (say bleeding or poisoned) and I gain a subtype that is immune to those (namely, the elemental subtype), what happens to the conditions? Are they removed completely? Do they turn off only while I have the subtype and then "reactive" afterwards? If indeed they are dormant, do the turns in which I have the subtype count against their duration?

[Varthanna]

Varthanna wrote:

I am curious if this is covered in the rules anywhere (and if so, where), and if not, how people would handle it.

If I have a condition (say bleeding or poisoned) and I gain a subtype that is immune to those (namely, the elemental subtype), what happens to the conditions? Are they removed completely? Do they turn off only while I have the subtype and then "reactive" afterwards? If indeed they are dormant, do the turns in which I have the subtype count against their duration?

Bump! Anybody wih suggestions?

[Abciximab]

Though Paizo has worked to tighten the polymorph rules, I still find them rather confusing, but here goes…

What immunities are gained depends on how you are changing form (is it the Energy Body Revelation of a Life Oracle? Not sure what Energy Form is.). If it is a spell (like elemental body), you may not gain immunities until the higher level spells are available to you (elemental body III or IV).

As to how it would work were you subject to an effect, not sure of RAW…

Here’s how I would do it. (I lean toward the “turns in which I have the subtype count against the duration” camp) Let’s say you gain the Bleed condition for 10 rnds. You would be subject to bleed damage until you change to elemental form, then if you leave the form before the condition ends you would start taking bleed damage again (minus the # of rounds you were in elemental form). If you were in elemental form when the duration ended, you would not take bleed damage when you changed back.

As a GM I would probably rule that conditions you are subjected to while in another form (to which that form would be immune) would not affect you when you change back (Since you never “acquired” that condition).

As for RAW, hopefully someone can quote a relevant passage for us.

[StabbittyDoom]

I agree with Abciximab on this one. I would treat it similarly to buffs in an anti-magic field. That is to say, the conditions are suppressed for the duration of the effect, but might continue if they still have duration once the suppressing effect ends.

[MyTThor]

I agree

[Varthanna]

Woops... Yes, I was referring to Energy Body revelation, not Energy Form. Was posting on my phone from memory.

So, here's a follow-up question that is related:

Is an SU ability purely mental, per being able to use it while Paralyzed?

If I am Paralyzed, and I use the SU ability Energy Form (which makes me immune to Paralysis), can I then move?

[Poit]

In general, spell-like abilities and supernatural abilities are purely mental actions, but some specific abilities may say otherwise (for example, channeling requires that you present your holy symbol, which you need to be able to move in order to do).