Qinggong powers: Arcane / Divine / Neither?

[Interzone]

Just as the title says, are the Spell-Like Abilities of a Qinggong Monk Arcane, Divine, or neither?

For example there are traits that can give someone a +1 on saves against Arcane spells or Divine spells...

I assuming since they are not called out as being from a deity they are either Arcane or neither, but wondering if anyone else has any input on the matter

[spalding]

Neither. The only things that are divine or arcane would be actual spells.

[blackbloodtroll]

Abraham spalding wrote:

Neither. The only things that are divine or arcane would be actual spells.

Which spell-like abilities are, but yeah, these seem to be neither.

I could be wrong though.

[spalding]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Abraham spalding wrote:

Neither. The only things that are divine or arcane would be actual spells.

Which spell-like abilities are, but yeah, these seem to be neither.

I could be wrong though.

You are wrong not to be rude but spell like abilities are specifically not spells.

Quote:

Usually, a spell-like ability works just like the spell of that name. A spell-like ability has no verbal, somatic, or material component, nor does it require a focus. The user activates it mentally. Armor never affects a spell-like ability's use, even if the ability resembles an arcane spell with a somatic component.

A spell-like ability has a casting time of 1 standard action unless noted otherwise in the ability or spell description. In all other ways, a spell-like ability functions just like a spell.

Spell-like abilities are subject to spell resistance and dispel magic. They do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated. Spell-like abilities cannot be used to counterspell, nor can they be counterspelled.

If a character class grants a spell-like ability that is not based on an actual spell, the ability’s effective spell level is equal to the highest-level class spell the character can cast, and is cast at the class level the ability is gained.

They are like spells but are not spells.

[blackbloodtroll]

You are correct. The difference is quite a bit less than is often thought though. So, when in doubt, you treat a spell-like ability as a spell.

[spalding]

A spell that:

Is not arcane or divine, is a mental action, doesn't have verbal, somatic or material components, doesn't require a focus has no ASF, and can't be affected by metamagic feats or spell focus and can't be counterspelled or used as a counterspell, and doesn't qualify you as actually casting a spell, and doesn't qualify you as for prestige classes that require actual spell casting.

[blackbloodtroll]

I already said you were correct. You won, no need for the tea bagging. What you spelled out is shown in evidence throughout the rules. Sometimes there are things that the rules do not spell out. When that happens, I suggest looking at it as a spell to decide how to handle it.

[spalding]

Absolutely agreed, sorry wasn't trying to bang you on the head, just wanted to spell out the specific cases that they were not similar for the viewers at home.

[Interzone]

Thanks :)

That's what I figured, just wanted some public opinion to confirm.