Okay, so I'm running a PF game where the PC's are currently up against the Great Old Ones from Golarion. In my world, the Great Old Ones come to Golarion and wipe out all life on a cycle, and then remove all trace of their existence.
My question is this. Can you make a knowledge check to know about creatures (Great Old ones and their servants) that NO ONE has ever encountered before, and that nothing has been written about or even heard legends about? To me, I believe that you can't.
Idk, we got into a huge argument over this and I was hoping for a clarification.
Thanks.
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It should still have a DC, I think, even if it's DC 55 or something.
Somewhere on Golarion an Aboleth knows, right... w/ the Aboleth history in Pathfinder. Or, AHEM, a deity such as Sarenrae or Asmodeus, right?!
But this is, of course, a DM's call.
I would have no problem if the DM ruled one knowledge bit was protected from even the deities.
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Technically per the core you can. As I understand it. However as a GM, if the PC in question has never heard of nore had the chance to hear of/read about said creature I wouldn't allow it.
In some cases dependent on the creature I might allow it though if neither of the criteria is met. Of course this would change the result to being that of which one might of heard in an old nursery hymn, or tale of old. So in that context he would get that kind of information.
For example on a Wyvern; "The old tales speak of such beasts. Beasts like serpents with wings that fly about the sky plucking men from their fields and feasting on their flesh."
In the example above it includes nothing of the wyverns 'sting' attack. But covers the basics. Of course the legend could include myths of it breathing fire, since in appearance it is similar to a dragon and the area my have legends of those creatures as well.
In the end, either way, i'd increase the DC even for that knowledge.
In my mind, the character could be deducing information about the creature based upon how it looks, or how other kind-of-similar creatures function. So a good roll could tell you "these look similar to ---, which have electricity resistance" or something like that.
However, as a player, I wouldn't mind if there were creatures that I simply wouldn't know anything about based on storyline.
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You can make a Knowledge check to discern what type and subtype of creature it is. You can probably guess where it might come from and what abilities similar-looking creatures have. Presumably you won't get its name.
As Azoun mentioned, the DC for the check should be at least 15 + CR for a little-known or unique creature.