Bonus Bestiary obsolete with Bestiary 3?


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So I finally had time to look carefully through the Bestiary 3, and it seems that all Bonus Bestiary creepy crawlies are included. Is it meant to replace the Bonus Bestiary? Should I toss my Bonus?


Guang wrote:
So I finally had time to look carefully through the Bestiary 3, and it seems that all Bonus Bestiary creepy crawlies are included. Is it meant to replace the Bonus Bestiary? Should I toss my Bonus?

Not toss. Give it to someone who doesn't have Bestiary 3.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

James0235 has a good idea...

But yeah. All the monsters in the Bonus Bestiary are now in Bestiary 3—if you have access to Bestiary 3, you don't need the old Bonus Bestiary anymore.

Unless you prefer that book's illustration of the faerie dragon, I guess, over Bestiary 3's illustration.

The Exchange

Well, the Bonus Bestiary included lots of ecology and other information that was either re-worded or discarded. We merged/shuffled in the old information onto the new pages where possible and available on d20pfsrd.com.

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The Bonus bestiary is also cool if you are a Collectophile like myself.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

d20pfsrd.com wrote:
Well, the Bonus Bestiary included lots of ecology and other information that was either re-worded or discarded. We merged/shuffled in the old information onto the new pages where possible and available on d20pfsrd.com.

It's worth noting that when we built the Bonus Bestiary, we hadn't yet 100% settled on the exact rules for presenting monsters, or for their flavor text, in the confines of a bestiary entry. There was some experimentation going on in the Bonus Bestiary, in other words, that we abandoned even as early as the Bestairy itself. In particular, things like how we treat monstrous cohorts or expanding the options for summon monster spells.

As a result, it'd probably be best to simply replace the monster texts with their updated Bestiary 3 entries... or at the very least, flag the old, outdated text as such.

The Exchange

All we really kept was the ecology/flavor text at the bottom. All stat blocks have been completely replaced with the new info. We just felt that there was a lot of good and interesting ecology/background info on some of the monsters that wasn't included in the newer entries and we didn't want to just delete it.


Thanks much! Worth keeping, then, but I'll rely on 3 from now on

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I'm just glad that the Annis Hag now has membership in a coven rather than a covey, which is usually reserved for quail or partridges. Gone are thoughts of the Partridge Family being traumatized when the Annis tries to join the band. "I think I love you, so what am I so afraid of?" (Though this might explain Danny Bonaduce's later career path.)

(Come to think of it, it also explains Maryilyn Quayle....)

Grand Lodge

I don't have the book myself, yet. While skimming through it at my local game shop, though, I thought I saw the axebeak had had its animal companion rules removed. Did I imagine that?

Also I'll take it as a cue from James Jacob's post that the shadow mastiff is no longer summonable with summon monster, yes?


I do enjoy the Bonus Bestiary's drawing of the Faerie Dragon. I'm gonna swarm my players with them someday.

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Strife2002 wrote:
Also I'll take it as a cue from James Jacob's post that the shadow mastiff is no longer summonable with summon monster, yes?

Correct. That's an element we decided to abandon from monster writeups.

Grand Lodge

James Jacobs wrote:
Strife2002 wrote:
Also I'll take it as a cue from James Jacob's post that the shadow mastiff is no longer summonable with summon monster, yes?
Correct. That's an element we decided to abandon from monster writeups.

That's fine. That used to bug me back in 3.5 when all these different splat books started introducing new monsters that could be summoned, and then Stormwrack told me that whenever a summon monster is added to a list, another relatively similar monster should be replaced by it. At the time I had accumulated a huge list of monsters already, and dreaded the idea of having to do all the extra work involved with replacing similar creatures.

Also, what about my comment regarding the axebeak? Does it still have its animal companion stats?

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Strife2002 wrote:
Also, what about my comment regarding the axebeak? Does it still have its animal companion stats?

The animal companion info was removed in Bestiary 3


bigkilla wrote:
Strife2002 wrote:
Also, what about my comment regarding the axebeak? Does it still have its animal companion stats?
The animal companion info was removed in Bestiary 3

it just moved to the appendix

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hellharlequin wrote:
bigkilla wrote:
Strife2002 wrote:
Also, what about my comment regarding the axebeak? Does it still have its animal companion stats?
The animal companion info was removed in Bestiary 3
it just moved to the appendix

Ah, groovy.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Correct; with animals consistently not having enough flavor text space, we decided to move all the animal companion information to the appendix.

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