I am not for bringing political subject to Paizo forums but this one just caught my attention and I thought I should share.
If you hadn't guessed it, the usual phrase for something like this is "While you were sleeping" but in this case, it being new year, I thought the current title worked better.
I won't say anything about the upcoming elections or who I voted for last time, in ether way or side, but the ONE thing I was thrilled about was that I thought Oboma would strike down this part of the Patriot Act, low and behold he has made it permanent!
I am very sad about this and really don't know what to do. I just wonder how long it will take to get the supreme court involved as I don't think this is constitutional any more, especially with the fact that with the patriot act we can declare a state of war at the drop of a hat as terrorism will always be present. That makes this all but a constitutional amendment eliminating the 5th amendment.
Again, sorry to bring up my political views, but I don't see how anyone on ether side can be happy with this, so everyone should know.
-Hexen
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You mean the NDAA? Perhaps before we fly off the handle we should find out exactly was in the final version of the bill? Maybe look at the signing statements too.
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For half a second there, you almost had me worried. Then I read the article you linked, and googled for more objective sources. Could you possibly find a more biased source?
First of all, it's a defense spending bill. This is the main source of military funding for the coming year. Calling it the "American Detention Bill" to focus on a tiny part of a massive spending bill that you disagree with is misleading, at best.
Second of all, I haven't read the bill myself, but according to less biased sources, the part you disagree with is nowhere to be found in the actual bill. USA Today says the military custody section of the bill doesn't apply to US citizens:
Here's a couple of other less biased sources:
Washington Post story
CNN story
Now, I'm not saying that I agree with all of this Patriot Act junk, or that Obama's doing a perfect job as president. But let's at least try to be objective when looking at it, and realize that the sky isn't actually falling. Contrary to the extremist right wing propaganda sites that want to make Obama seem like the anti-Christ, this bill is nothing like the stuff that Germany passed into law in 1933.
Signing statements mean absolutely nothing. They have no legal force at all or provision in the constitution.
For half a second there, you almost had me worried. Then I read the article you linked, and googled for more objective sources. Could you possibly find a more biased source?
First of all, it's a defense spending bill. This is the main source of military funding for the coming year. Calling it the "American Detention Bill" to focus on a tiny part of a massive spending bill that you disagree with is misleading, at best.
Second of all, I haven't read the bill myself, but according to less biased sources, the part you disagree with is nowhere to be found in the actual bill. USA Today says the military custody section of the bill doesn't apply to US citizens:
Here's a couple of other less biased sources:
Washington Post story
CNN storyNow, I'm not saying that I agree with all of this Patriot Act junk, or that Obama's doing a perfect job as president. But let's at least try to be objective when looking at it, and realize that the sky isn't actually falling. Contrary to the extremist right wing propaganda sites that want to make Obama seem like the anti-Christ, this bill is nothing like the stuff that Germany passed into law in 1933.
I disagree, but there is already a thread for this.
